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oldtimer Posted - 03 Sep 2018 : 12:45:21
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

Chaz is contracted to Tickford for 2019 and DJR/TP has announce that it is keeping it's two current drivers for 2019 and no third car.

Why is all this speculation in Silly 2019. It should be in Silly 2020........

Anyway, if Chaz does announce his 2020 contract during 2019, there are other teams on the radar for him to join. At least two with Mustangs and at least one with Commodore and yet another with an unannounced model. All these choices have been the subject of rumour except for a second Mustang at 23Red, which is just wishful thinking on my part.

These is also the perennial rumours starting again about Tickford and the number of cars they will run.



23red have confirmed one car for 2019 so I guess that it now off topic also.



Fixed.
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ignition Posted - 15 Oct 2020 : 08:20:07
quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!



It's probably getting a bit off topic.. But I agreed with their use of the SC instead of a VSC. As soon as it looked like it was on fire, a SC was the correct decision.



perhaps if it was anywhere near the track I could agree with you... but it was a mile off the circuit next to the flagpost/removal point... there was never a risk to anyone who may have been out using retardent or those assisting with retrieval and no track clean up required.

they ballsed it up



As Michael said though, they weren't sure they could get it into that point safely under VSC, which is a fair point from the chopper view. So they would rather throw the SC straight away

SC was the correct decision.

This is probably for the F1 section though.



Were they “not sure” for another reason perhaps?



could have been another picnic table there, just like the Haas at Monza
Fast by Ferracci Posted - 14 Oct 2020 : 17:43:16
quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!



It's probably getting a bit off topic.. But I agreed with their use of the SC instead of a VSC. As soon as it looked like it was on fire, a SC was the correct decision.



perhaps if it was anywhere near the track I could agree with you... but it was a mile off the circuit next to the flagpost/removal point... there was never a risk to anyone who may have been out using retardent or those assisting with retrieval and no track clean up required.

they ballsed it up



As Michael said though, they weren't sure they could get it into that point safely under VSC, which is a fair point from the chopper view. So they would rather throw the SC straight away

SC was the correct decision.

This is probably for the F1 section though.



Were they “not sure” for another reason perhaps?
V8SuperRiley Posted - 14 Oct 2020 : 16:41:32
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!



It's probably getting a bit off topic.. But I agreed with their use of the SC instead of a VSC. As soon as it looked like it was on fire, a SC was the correct decision.



perhaps if it was anywhere near the track I could agree with you... but it was a mile off the circuit next to the flagpost/removal point... there was never a risk to anyone who may have been out using retardent or those assisting with retrieval and no track clean up required.

they ballsed it up



As Michael said though, they weren't sure they could get it into that point safely under VSC, which is a fair point from the chopper view. So they would rather throw the SC straight away

SC was the correct decision.

This is probably for the F1 section though.
Sonic Posted - 14 Oct 2020 : 15:09:04
quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley

quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!



It's probably getting a bit off topic.. But I agreed with their use of the SC instead of a VSC. As soon as it looked like it was on fire, a SC was the correct decision.



perhaps if it was anywhere near the track I could agree with you... but it was a mile off the circuit next to the flagpost/removal point... there was never a risk to anyone who may have been out using retardent or those assisting with retrieval and no track clean up required.

they ballsed it up
V8SuperRiley Posted - 14 Oct 2020 : 12:51:12
quote:
Originally posted by Sonic

quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!



It's probably getting a bit off topic.. But I agreed with their use of the SC instead of a VSC. As soon as it looked like it was on fire, a SC was the correct decision.
Fast by Ferracci Posted - 13 Oct 2020 : 17:36:49
quote:
Originally posted by Mechz

There was a race a few weeks back where only the first 3 cars were on the lead lap and I was hoping like hell for an SC to liven things up but alas it was not to be.



Safety cars should never have been allowed to be used for entertainment reasons. Hence why the VCS/Code 60 slowzones are the almost perfect solutions, no 2nd place doesn’t get a leg up
Legendary Gerry Posted - 13 Oct 2020 : 15:40:20
quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by Mechz

It's been happening for years Mike. F1 doesn't have a lot of safety cars so you don't see it a lot.

There was a race a few weeks back where only the first 3 cars were on the lead lap and I was hoping like hell for an SC to liven things up but alas it was not to be.



You have to acknowledge and remember that not every race can be a 'seat of the pants' race to watch or participate in. Heck, many years ago I won a race as the last car running. Everyone else either crashed out or had a gremlin of some kind. I was running 3rd until everything started to go to **** for everyone else and I cruised around to the checkered flag.




That's not really racing is it?

I recall members complaining a few years ago about supercars being economy races due to adjustable fuel / air ratios.

Let's hope the last race of 2020 is a real race. Just to try to bring us back on topic!



It is racing in its purest form.
Everyone gets to start and you race to the best of your and your vehicle's capacity and the best on that day wins. Nothing contrived like passing safety cars to make it 'more exciting' or bringing out a safety car for a speck of rubber with 25 laps to go. This false intervention is just rubbish.
djr18fan Posted - 13 Oct 2020 : 15:25:15
quote:
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

quote:
Originally posted by Mechz

It's been happening for years Mike. F1 doesn't have a lot of safety cars so you don't see it a lot.

There was a race a few weeks back where only the first 3 cars were on the lead lap and I was hoping like hell for an SC to liven things up but alas it was not to be.



You have to acknowledge and remember that not every race can be a 'seat of the pants' race to watch or participate in. Heck, many years ago I won a race as the last car running. Everyone else either crashed out or had a gremlin of some kind. I was running 3rd until everything started to go to **** for everyone else and I cruised around to the checkered flag.




That's not really racing is it?

I recall members complaining a few years ago about supercars being economy races due to adjustable fuel / air ratios.

Let's hope the last race of 2020 is a real race. Just to try to bring us back on topic!
Legendary Gerry Posted - 13 Oct 2020 : 15:21:34
quote:
Originally posted by Mechz

It's been happening for years Mike. F1 doesn't have a lot of safety cars so you don't see it a lot.

There was a race a few weeks back where only the first 3 cars were on the lead lap and I was hoping like hell for an SC to liven things up but alas it was not to be.



You have to acknowledge and remember that not every race can be a 'seat of the pants' race to watch or participate in. Heck, many years ago I won a race as the last car running. Everyone else either crashed out or had a gremlin of some kind. I was running 3rd until everything started to go to **** for everyone else and I cruised around to the checkered flag.
Mechz Posted - 13 Oct 2020 : 13:57:10
It's been happening for years Mike. F1 doesn't have a lot of safety cars so you don't see it a lot.

There was a race a few weeks back where only the first 3 cars were on the lead lap and I was hoping like hell for an SC to liven things up but alas it was not to be.
Sonic Posted - 12 Oct 2020 : 21:23:54
quote:
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.



that whole episode was pathetic!! unrequired and pathetic!

VSC while the car was removed? fair enough... all the cars trundle around at X kph (or mph for you Mike!) but then they bring out the real SC and slow the cars down even more and compress the field for no reason... then they release the lapped cars (again, no reason)... then "oh now we have got a race on our hands"...

please. grow up F1... and then maybe SC will also see the stupidity of this pathetic gimmick!
mikeamerica84 Posted - 12 Oct 2020 : 20:42:34
Not to throw an F1 spolier out there, or to change to tack of this thread, but I was watching the boys from the Nurburgring today. The safety car came out at one point. The lapped cars, prior to the restart, were waved around at the discretion of the race director. They were about a half lap back when the leader re-took the green flag.

I have never noticed this before but it caught my attention with this enlightenment of this new Bathurst rule. Maybe F1 has had it for awhile? Maybe they never used it? Maybe I haven't watched one of their races without drinking beer? But it is out there, gents. I'll be god-damned, but it is out there.

It warms my heart to see that the pinnacle of motorsports has gone to such gimmicks and it is not solely contained to the North American continent.
Fast by Ferracci Posted - 05 Oct 2020 : 16:55:38
quote:
Originally posted by sizzle

quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley


It gets the lapped cars out of the battle, and onto the lead lap. At the same time, it doesn't put them right onto the back of the pack.

I think it's a rule that should be applied permanently.



The leader had to pass the lapped car legitimately under green conditions, why do the pursuers get a free kick at the race leader after the safety car? They’ve already been given a leg up from the safety helping them catch the leader anyway.

The safety car should never be used as an entertainment tool

quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

[While safety cars are still being used at Bathurst, I think this new rule is an improvement on the previous situation - which is lapped cars closing the gap to the leaders under safety car condtions, then (in some cases) driving beyond themsleves attempting to unlap themselves. Getting in the way of others and potentially causing incidents as cars try desparately to pass.

I think the only people blowing a valve are those that like to look for conspiraricies about bias and why rules are made / changed.



When was the last time a car crashed trying to unlap itself after a safety car period?



Maybe not unlapping, but there has been some at the top of the mountain when trying to catch the safety car. Most notable recent one being half the BJR stable.



Cars crashing under a safety car period is a completely different issue and has nothing to do with the current rule issue, and what happened at the top of the mountain with the BJR cars won’t be solved by this silly new rule anyway
sizzle Posted - 05 Oct 2020 : 16:50:45
quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by V8SuperRiley


It gets the lapped cars out of the battle, and onto the lead lap. At the same time, it doesn't put them right onto the back of the pack.

I think it's a rule that should be applied permanently.



The leader had to pass the lapped car legitimately under green conditions, why do the pursuers get a free kick at the race leader after the safety car? They’ve already been given a leg up from the safety helping them catch the leader anyway.

The safety car should never be used as an entertainment tool

quote:
Originally posted by djr18fan

[While safety cars are still being used at Bathurst, I think this new rule is an improvement on the previous situation - which is lapped cars closing the gap to the leaders under safety car condtions, then (in some cases) driving beyond themsleves attempting to unlap themselves. Getting in the way of others and potentially causing incidents as cars try desparately to pass.

I think the only people blowing a valve are those that like to look for conspiraricies about bias and why rules are made / changed.



When was the last time a car crashed trying to unlap itself after a safety car period?



Maybe not unlapping, but there has been some at the top of the mountain when trying to catch the safety car. Most notable recent one being half the BJR stable.
oldtimer Posted - 03 Oct 2020 : 20:12:46
quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by TheArrow

Never ceases to amaze me how critical of every single decision Supercars fans can be.



What is not to be critical of in this decision?

They are making up new rules for problems that aren’t there in the first place.



IMHO, there is a problem and has been for a long time.

But, is this new rule the correct solution???

Someone will get their knickers in a knot either way.

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