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oldtimer Posted - 20 Jun 2018 : 09:27:15
Originally posted by karter

Yes, if they could put together a decent chassis.

Speaking of decent chassis, news is that RBR is switching to Honda power next year.

TBH, I don't know if this is a good move or not. Honda does seem to be improving but really they could hardly have gotten worse.

You have to wonder how Dan will be feeling. It's looking more and more likely that he'll have to stay at RBR for the next year.

Mercedes seem happy with the current driver pairing and Ferrari may not want to risk making Vettel unhappy.

Another option might be McLaren, who might be looking for two new drivers, but who would make that move?

With Red Bull Aston Martin redesigning their 2019 car to use the Honda engine, it gives Torro Rosso Honda a great opportunity to use many parts in common in a similar fashion to Hass using Ferrari bits.

This could save the Red Bull organisation many Euros and make Torro Rosso more competitive.

I know the following is an old article, but it lists the bits that the customer can use, which is almost all mechanical parts.

Haas/Ferrari relationship 'very intelligent' - Toto Wolff

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Oct 21, 2015
Laurence Edmondson

Mercedes F1 boss Toto Wolff says the relationship between Haas and Ferrari opens up new possibilities for teams to enter Formula One.


Haas will join the grid next year and will do so with a car that shares as many parts as is allowed under the regulations with Ferrari. Haas has to own the IP for its monocoque, survival cell, roll structure, bodywork, wings, floor and diffuser, but all other components will be supplied by Ferrari as part of a technical deal with Maranello.

Haas' relationship with the Italian team also extends to the use of its wind tunnel, which it has been using extensively to develop its 2016 car. Rival teams were suspicious of the relationship, believing Haas may be running a joint wind tunnel programme with Ferrari to help develop the SF15-T, but a visit by the FIA's Marcin Budkowski reported nothing wrong with the way the two teams were operating. Nevertheless, the Haas/Ferrari relationship has caught the eye of rivals Mercedes.

"I think there is a possibility for various models - the Haas model is clearly a very intelligent way of entering Formula One," Wolff said when asked about new teams coming into the sport.

"It's been all compliant and it was checked with the FIA. Marcin was there and audited, so we have no doubt that it is all fair and square. But the answer is yes, it opens up an avenue for new models of collaboration and customer teams or different associations."
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CP Posted - 02 Dec 2019 : 12:03:00
OK. Please explain.

How do you miscalculate by almost 5 kilos?
mikeamerica84 Posted - 30 Nov 2019 : 10:02:31


Yas Marina Circuit.... and 2019.
tusker Posted - 24 Nov 2019 : 20:40:44
Yes, a cracking race and it was good to see Ricciardo get into the points, albeit with a bit of luck as well.

So this brings me to the Gasly podium. I like the underdog nature of the whole story: demoted to Torro Rosso so Albon could get his seat. You also can't take his podium off him ever. Let's also not forget his grit and determination in not giving up. It's a good story.

But let's be realistic about this. Like a number of drivers, he benefited from other people's mistakes. I know people will say "coulda woulda shoulda" but until the last few laps of race, that podium was Albon's on more merit, the very same person who displaced him at Red Bull. Perhaps if the publicity was more around "I didn't think I'd get third, but I'll take it any way it's given," more than "I've been redeemed through my podium on merit," I'd probably have no issue.
Wrighty05 Posted - 19 Nov 2019 : 21:21:26
Cracking race though
DJRford Posted - 19 Nov 2019 : 17:00:41
As Leclerc passed Vettel into turn 1 then Seb came back at him I thought to myself "these two are about to take each other out." Probably one second later and they did. My tip was on the corner but they did it on the straight. Seb's fault. Charles didn't move at all. Cool result with Gasly and Sainz on the podium.
skaifeman Posted - 19 Nov 2019 : 13:34:08
Originally posted by mikeamerica84

One for the ages - the Ferraris taking each other out.


That's their season story so far. Crazy to think that Max will probably best the pair of them in the drivers standings.
Neither of the Ferrari drivers were able to extract the maximum out of their cars - mainly due to their fumbling inter-team strategies.

mikeamerica84 Posted - 18 Nov 2019 : 23:25:15
One for the ages - the Ferraris taking each other out.

Kytabu Posted - 18 Nov 2019 : 18:01:28
What a result in Brazil! Great to see Gasly and Sainz get their first podiums, even if Sainz had to wait a while after the race.

First time since USA 2013 that neither Mercedes nor Ferrari finished on the podium.
tusker Posted - 12 Nov 2019 : 13:57:00
It's a real challenge to know who and what to believe sometimes.
DJRford Posted - 11 Nov 2019 : 13:20:56
Mainstream media at its finest. No research done whatsoever into Formula One to write a line like this.

"Marko also ruled out accommodating Ricciardo with a third car in 2020."
tusker Posted - 07 Nov 2019 : 18:31:11
Really? This is the first I've heard of it and there is no mention on the F1 site. Apparently, there is uncertainty over whether Renault will even field an F1 team next year.

Red Bull boss tells Ricciardo there’s ‘no room’ for him
Wrighty05 Posted - 04 Nov 2019 : 11:30:43
It’s big in the UK
troy01505 Posted - 04 Nov 2019 : 08:40:50
Hamilton wraps up how 6th championship and there is little raving or noise about it most places. Seems only the real die hard fans stuck around for the domination bore fest and anyone from slightly below could not give 2 ****s.
mikeamerica84 Posted - 25 Oct 2019 : 23:37:18
First Dan is DQ'd from Singapore qualifying, now Renault is completely DQ'd from Suzuka for a pre-set auto brake bias device! I wonder what will kill them this weekend in Mexico?

Renault won't appeal Japan disqualification
By: Chris Medland

Renault will not appeal its disqualification from the Japanese Grand Prix because it has no new evidence that could overturn the stewards’ decision.

Racing Point protested the legality of Renault’s car at Suzuka, claiming it was using a pre-set automated brake bias system. After analysis from the FIA Technical Department the system was deemed to be legal according to the technical regulations, but the stewards still felt it constituted a driver aid and therefore broke sporting regulations, leading to the team being disqualified from the results in Japan.

Renault initially considered appealing the result, which cost it a sixth place for Daniel Ricciardo and 10th for Nico Hulkenberg, but confirmed in a statement on Thursday morning in Mexico that it is unlikely to be able to overturn the decision.

“We regret the stewards’ decision and, in particular, the severity of the sanction applied,” the Renault statement read. “In our opinion, the penalty is not proportionate to any benefit the drivers derived, especially when used within the context of a system confirmed fully legal and innovative. It is also inconsistent with previous sanctions for similar breaches, as acknowledged by the stewards in their decision, but expressed without further argumentation.

“However, since we have no new evidence to bring other than that already produced to demonstrate the legality of our system, we do not wish to invest further time and effort in a sterile debate in front of the International Court of Appeal concerning the subjective appreciation, and therefore sanction, related to an aid that reduces the driver workload without enhancing the performance of the car.

“We have therefore decided not to appeal the stewards’ decision.

“Formula 1 will always be an arena for the relentless search for the slightest possible opportunities for competitive advantage. It is what we have always done and will continue to do, albeit with stronger internal processes before innovative solutions are brought on track.”

The penalty confirms Charles Leclerc in sixth in Japan ahead of Pierre Gasly, Sergio Perez, Lance Stroll and Daniil Kvyat, with Renault now just six points clear of Toro Rosso and 10 ahead of Racing Point in the constructors’ championship.

skaifeman Posted - 23 Sep 2019 : 15:56:20
Originally posted by Legendary Gerry

Dan disqualified from qualifying in Singapore for a, wait for it, one millionth of a second gain with the energy recovery system...

And not even on his quickest lap that saw him through to the next session.

Bloody tough call, but I guess the line needs to be drawn.
A better penalty would've been, as Dan suggests, to just not allow the lap that it happened on (similar to 'gaining an advantage off track').


Lewis doing what Lewis does best in Japan and complaining about his teams strategy...
It's always a good race when Bottas gives Lewis what he's been getting most weekends - the alternate strategy.

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