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The Doctor
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  11:32:39  Show Profile  Visit The Doctor's Homepage Send The Doctor a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by FalconGTHO351

I guess it was half expected, after all, everyone from the holden side seem to talk him up like he could do no wrong. Gone are the days of having an unfair advantage though, in this era where the cars are so evenly matched it's rediculous, he's having a terrible time trying to stay on the track, and it's not all from mechanical failures and other people, some of the onus has to fall on the driver at some stage. If it IS all bad luck, then he's reaping the other side from all the good luck he's had in the past...


I agree with most of what you've said in this thread. However I think when it comes down to it, you'd surely have to agree that the latter half of Skaife's season has come down to factors that weren't his fault.

Of late:
Symmons: Good qualifying botched by pitwork.
Surfers: Botched by pitwork - cant recover at this circuit.
Bathurst: Car reliability - slipping clutch - then Jack perkins.
Sandown: Handed car by Tander, broken steering within first lap ends race in the wall.

At 'Team Red' I think that Uncle T/whoever else is in charge, need to sort a few things out in the team. Reliability has been crap again this year - FPR-esque as someone stated in another thread - but like FPR the driving talent is quality.

No excuses next year Tom.

As for Murphy, as has been previously stated by others and myself, he can only to well at a handful of tracks, but the same can be said for Tasman it seems.

I just hope that Jason isnt given the dud machine like AJ was this year so that Greg Son of Kevin can drive a half decent piece of machinery. I still think that he'll finish outside of the top ten.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  11:51:42  Show Profile Send flyingkiwi a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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As for Murphy, he stuffs up Adelaide again, puts the team's new VE into the wall at turn 8 during qualifying, which puts him out for the opening round and is declared un-repairable. His Daddy sensds him back to the hotel room for the rest of the weekend.

His daddy promptly builds him a new car for round two, which he again crashes heavily, this time in race 1. Over the course of races 2 & 3, he manages to finish, but well outside the top 15. Consequently he he soundly beaten by The Rat who scores a top 5 finish in the new TKR Falcon. His daddy promptly sends him on the first plane back to NZ for a 7 day break, and to apologise publicly for bagging out TKR in November 2006.

Following a national survey that shows The Rat has quickly become NZ's favourite V8 Supercar driver, Murphy starts to feel the stress. He is filling up at his local service station, when he slips up and drops the fuel nozzle, spilling petrol over the driveway. When he goes in to pay, the service station attendant, a staunch Rat supporter, makes a smart arse comment to Murphy about the fuel spill, to which Murphy storms off to the servo's public toilet and sits there sulking for 5 minutes.

Word of Murphy's sulk-session at the servo quickly spreads, and he emereges from the loo to see his car surrounded by dozens of Falcon driving supporters of the Rat. They don't say a word, they just watch as he slowly walks back to his car, gets in and drives off.

Murphy never races again, and is last seen tending to his flock of sheep at a small farm outside Duneden.




Welcome to the forum mate, that's just classic, LMAO!!!!
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  11:53:07  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
[quote] hey, that's part of racing, somethings you can't help, but there's other things that you can, Maybe skaife is driving the car too hard and causing it to break... [/qoute]

Maybe you're talking absolute rubbish highlighting the fact you can't be objective about such an issue and perhaps you should shutup, as you continually don't have anything nice to say on the matter.

Over driving the car, causing it to break. That is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read all year.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  12:12:24  Show Profile Send SBR_Champs a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

[quote] hey, that's part of racing, somethings you can't help, but there's other things that you can, Maybe skaife is driving the car too hard and causing it to break... [/qoute]

Maybe you're talking absolute rubbish highlighting the fact you can't be objective about such an issue and perhaps you should shutup, as you continually don't have anything nice to say on the matter.

Over driving the car, causing it to break. That is quite possibly the funniest thing I've read all year.



I know you worship the ground Skaife walks on, but open you mind even for just a few seconds, to consider there might be something to the "over driving" the car theory.

After Ambrose won the championship HRT and Skaife went through very lean times. Was Skaife feeling the pressure and "over drove" the car? He seemed to be off the track more than he was on it that first year he had the number 2 on his car.

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  12:18:39  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
That was 2004, 2 years ago (in the past).

This is 2006, get with the times. Skaife hasn't put a foot wrong all year (Adelaide shouldn't even count, but if so, then for the last 10 rounds straight Skaife hasn't over driven or made any errors). I'd appreciate it if you so called " people " would stop implying, insinuating and accusing him of making driving errors.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:07:15  Show Profile Send SBR_Champs a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

That was 2004, 2 years ago (in the past).

This is 2006, get with the times. Skaife hasn't put a foot wrong all year (Adelaide shouldn't even count, but if so, then for the last 10 rounds straight Skaife hasn't over driven or made any errors). I'd appreciate it if you so called " people " would stop implying, insinuating and accusing him of making driving errors.




So your trying to say Skaife being in 20th in the championship is everyone else's fault????

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:07:52  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I'm saying it's Tom's fault, the mechanics fault and other driver's fault.

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:15:46  Show Profile Send SBR_Champs a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

I'm saying it's Tom's fault, the mechanics fault and other driver's fault.





What a deluded little world you must live in. How the hell can a driver who is supposed to be the “number 1” Holden driver be in 20th place in the championship and not share some of the blame?????????????

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:38:23  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
WHERE HAS HE MADE A MISTAKE ? (Adelaide aside)

Can you tell me ?
No

Because for all the crap everyone speaks about Skaife making driving errors this year, they can't actually think of a time he's made one.

*yawn* Come back when you have some evidence.
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:49:16  Show Profile Send SBR_Champs a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

WHERE HAS HE MADE A MISTAKE ? (Adelaide aside)

Can you tell me ?
No

Because for all the crap everyone speaks about Skaife making driving errors this year, they can't actually think of a time he's made one.

*yawn* Come back when you have some evidence.




I could go back and look at every race again to make you a list, but I have better things to do. Apart from Adelaide I am 100% sure he has made errors in his driving EVERY DRIVER DOES!!!. The trouble is Ch 10 don't show to much of the back markers, so Skaife hasn't had as much coverage as he's had in the past.

You can't tell me Skaife does a perfect lap, every lap.
Take a look at the last round, the wheel problem put him down the back again, he was driving the car very hard to make up as many places as he could. Something broke in the front, maybe he was pushing the car too hard?

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  13:51:23  Show Profile Send AmusedOne a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
MunroGTS,

We dont need to identify specific 'faults' that Skaife has done during season 2006. His biggest fault is he simply hasn't been good enough.

Maybe he suffers from a lot of intabgible 'faults'. Maybe his confidence isn't as good in 2006 as it has been in past years, maybe it's his gut feel that is lacking, or his ability to drive a calculated race. Maybe he has simply lost his Mojo!

I am sure you can look back through the grid and see other drivers who are in the bottom half of the table. Can you identify specific 'faults' they have made to account for every bad race they had that isn't attributed to mechanical failure or another driver's fault?

You'd assume being in the same team structure, Skaife, R Kelly, T Kelly and Tander all have the same machinary. And the law of averages says that throughout the whole season, none of htese four drivers should suffer a disproportinate number of 'bad luck' attributed to mechanical failure or other driver's incidents.

Maybe the fact that Skaife is at least 10 years older than his 3 other TWPG team mates is a contributing factor, as generally as you get older, your ability to concentrate, calculate and react to situations dimishes.

Maybe that's the reason Skaife has had such a bad season, it's not that he is getting older, its just that the year he was born is now seems so long ago!!!!

I guess as the calander ticks over to 2007, Skaife becomes even older, so will his ability as a race car driver get any better?

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  14:00:15  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The only highlight Skaife has had since Ambrose took the Number 1 of him is a Bathurst win.
Maybe Project Blueprint has shown that when the cars are more or less even Skaife is not as good as he, the media and his loyal worshippers think he is.

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  14:34:51  Show Profile Send Assassin a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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You can't tell me Skaife does a perfect lap, every lap.
Take a look at the last round, the wheel problem put him down the back again, he was driving the car very hard to make up as many places as he could. Something broke in the front, maybe he was pushing the car too hard?


Of course he doesn't, no one does. But when talking about the errors that really hurt you, and not small things like missing an apex for example, he has been very respectable this year. Certainly it's his best year driving-wise since Blueprint was brought in. And of course, the car speed dictates a lot of that. In 2004, HRT were lacking engine speed and because of high public expectation, Skaife over-drove to keep it at the front. If he settled for the car's capabilities and finished 10th every round, people would have questioned his form anyway. So he gave it a go, made errors from simply pushing too hard, and subsequently got criticised for that. It was unavoidable.

In 2006, the car has plenty of speed, and thus he hasn't been overdriving and hasn't been making the mistakes he once was during the last couple of years. But reliability has let him down this year, and also some sloppy pit work.

At Symmons, Skaife was 17th in the championship. So when he had the loose wheel in race 1 and was sent to the back, what did he have to lose? Nothing, so he went for it and tried to salvage something. If the same thing occurred and he was 3rd or better in the series, he would have undoubtedly been more conservative. He probably wouldn't have come in for slicks so soon, probably wouldn't have tried a low-percentage pass on someone. But when you've got nothing to play for in the championship, why wouldn't you have a go?



Skaife is not exempt from blame for his performance this season, but the amount of blame that can be apportioned to him is minimal, and much much less than a season like 2004. If Skaife had won no races this year, won no poles, no round wins at all, no podiums, and was making monumental errors at every round, then there would be cause for concern. But he has had seven race wins, four pole positions, a round victory, and has been clean and fast in his racing for the majority of the year. Having said that, I don't understand why some want to make such a big deal about his driving form. He suffered some hardship this year, but he'll move on, and so too should some other people who are fixated with slandering Skaife...

Edited by - Assassin on 20 Nov 2006 10:35:15
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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  21:22:17  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Slandering Skaife? na more like having a go at the some of the tossers who have it stuck in their mind that their idol can do no wrong.

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Posted - 19 Nov 2006 :  21:40:25  Show Profile Send Assassin a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well I'm not one of them. If you read my post, you can see that I admit when Skaife has been at fault. I don't have it stuck in my mind that Skaife can do no wrong, and I doubt there are many out there who seriously do think like that. Some Skaife supporters may come across like this because they're peeved off that, in 2004, Skaife's driving errors were blamed for his poor performance (and rightly so), yet in 2006, his driving has vastly improved, however some as still intent on believing his lacklustre season is still because he is driving 'badly'.

If Lowndes was in exactly the same situation as Skaife finds himself in this year, a lot of people would be saying it's reliability or sloppy pitwork that has hindered him, but when a Skaife or Holden supporter offers this as a reason, they're accused of being delusional, or unprepared to admit that Skaife is somehow at fault. Only the sensible people here realise the proper reasons behind his misfortune this year.

But enough of that. For whatever reason, Skaife and Murphy have had shockers this season, and the only way for them for next year is up. Especially Murphy. Skaife's done it all, but Murphy hasn't done enough yet to afford having three bad seasons in succession, so the pressure will be on him next year. Skaife just needs to maintain his motivation and commitment to the task, and I think he still has both in spades.

Edited by - Assassin on 20 Nov 2006 10:37:30
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