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Trickyonne
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  08:45:27  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

WHERE HAS HE MADE A MISTAKE ? (Adelaide aside)

Can you tell me ?
No

Because for all the crap everyone speaks about Skaife making driving errors this year, they can't actually think of a time he's made one.

*yawn* Come back when you have some evidence.




so if he's driving is ok, then his managment skills really really really suck then ?

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People were very quick to jump to Mr Lowndes' defence when he made some poor team choices in his early years at Ford. If you start combining a driver's decisions and performance outside of the car then there are plenty of guys (not just Skaife and Murphy) who it could be argued have had some horror runs not entirely of their own making.
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  10:59:03  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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People were very quick to jump to Mr Lowndes' defence when he made some poor team choices in his early years at Ford. If you start combining a driver's decisions and performance outside of the car then there are plenty of guys (not just Skaife and Murphy) who it could be argued have had some horror runs not entirely of their own making.



yep, good point however we arnt talking about other drivers in this thread we are talking about skaife and murphy, whom both have underperformed for what ever reasons for a while now.

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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  11:33:04  Show Profile  Visit brownbag's Homepage Send brownbag a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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People were very quick to jump to Mr Lowndes' defence when he made some poor team choices in his early years at Ford. If you start combining a driver's decisions and performance outside of the car then there are plenty of guys (not just Skaife and Murphy) who it could be argued have had some horror runs not entirely of their own making.



yep, good point however we arnt talking about other drivers in this thread we are talking about skaife and murphy, whom both have underperformed for what ever reasons for a while now.



I understand that and I gave my explanation as to why and simply included another example that Ford fans could possibly relate to.

I am aware of the topic of this thread. This was not an attempt to take this discussion away from Skaife or Murphy.
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  17:38:24  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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so if he's driving is ok, then his managment skills really really really suck then ?


Yeah, I'll agree with that if I have to.
I'd much rather you give credit where it's due and Skaife, to his credit, has driven flawlessly all year so far.

The main thing to understand here is, you're seeking ways to put crap on Mark Skaife.

You haven't got any evidence of him driving himself off the road, so now we're going to attack his management credibility. I doubt you'd be able to do a better job Trickyonne......even on v8central Skaife's proven he can get under people's skin far better than you could ever imagine.

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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  18:21:41  Show Profile  Visit RX-7's Homepage Send RX-7 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Maybe you're talking absolute rubbish highlighting the fact you can't be objective about such an issue and perhaps you should shutup


Jeezuz, talk about the pot calling the kettle black!




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Murphy is Murphy. There is a reason he's getting pushed further and further from the Holden fold.

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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  20:58:31  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
when people look back on season 2006 all they will see is the mighty Skaife around 20th in the championship, and Murphy around the same.

No amount of spin doctoring (is this a real word?) will change the FACT that Skaife has not lived up to the media/fan driven reputaion since one Marcos Ambrose kicked his butt and took the number 1 off him.

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when people look back on season 2006 all they will see is the mighty Skaife around 20th in the championship, and Murphy around the same.

No amount of spin doctoring (is this a real word?) will change the FACT that Skaife has not lived up to the media/fan driven reputaion since one Marcos Ambrose kicked his butt and took the number 1 off him.

Similarly to how according to the Holden fans in years to come people wont remember that Rick didnt win a round, only that he won the C'ship... people will remember Skaife finished in ~20th and Murphy ~25th... Cant have it both ways.

However I still rate Skaife and Murphy among the best drivers out there and I would dearly love either to fill Brighty's seat instead of Richo.

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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  21:09:21  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by BOSS_290KW

when people look back on season 2006 all they will see is the mighty Skaife around 20th in the championship, and Murphy around the same.

No amount of spin doctoring (is this a real word?) will change the FACT that Skaife has not lived up to the media/fan driven reputaion since one Marcos Ambrose kicked his butt and took the number 1 off him.

Similarly to how according to the Holden fans in years to come people wont remember that Rick didnt win a round, only that he won the C'ship... people will remember Skaife finished in ~20th and Murphy ~25th... Cant have it both ways.

However I still rate Skaife and Murphy among the best drivers out there and I would dearly love either to fill Brighty's seat instead of Richo.



If Rick does win the championship we will never hear anyone bagging Russell's championship.

I agree Skaife is a great driver, Murphy is too inconsistant. You would never see Skaife leave the "dark side". I think Murphy could be tempted though, but I hope he stays with holden.

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However I still rate Skaife and Murphy among the best drivers out there and I would dearly love either to fill Brighty's seat instead of Richo.



Well, i guess the top brass at Ford and FPR see Richo as a much better driver with better potential, not only to get good results but also form a marketing point of view, so Richo gets the seat.

Richo is a pretty popular dirver who doesnt really rub too many peopel the wrong way, so is an easy driver to market.

On the other hand, I somehow think no matter how good Murphy may drive when he has a good season, some teams wouldn't consider him if he was the last 'name' driver available as he carries too much negativity about him and the general fan base.

Drivers like Lowndes and Ingall have made the switch from Holdem to Ford prety easily, as drivers and fans on both sides of the Ford/Holden debate seem to repsect both drivers and accept then to the list of 'popular' drivers.

Richo will make the transition pretty easily I'd imagine.

Skaife has been too much of a Holden man for too long, and too involved at a corporate level to ever make the switch to Ford. Not necssarily a bad thing for Skaife as he has quite a future within Holden when he hangs up the helmet.

As for Murphy, i doubt he'd have any real future within Holden Australia when he hands up his helmet, but mabe Holden NZ has a space for him somewhere.

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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  23:36:40  Show Profile  Visit brownbag's Homepage Send brownbag a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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However I still rate Skaife and Murphy among the best drivers out there and I would dearly love either to fill Brighty's seat instead of Richo.



Well, i guess the top brass at Ford and FPR see Richo as a much better driver with better potential, not only to get good results but also form a marketing point of view, so Richo gets the seat.

Richo is a pretty popular dirver who doesnt really rub too many peopel the wrong way, so is an easy driver to market.

On the other hand, I somehow think no matter how good Murphy may drive when he has a good season, some teams wouldn't consider him if he was the last 'name' driver available as he carries too much negativity about him and the general fan base.

Drivers like Lowndes and Ingall have made the switch from Holdem to Ford prety easily, as drivers and fans on both sides of the Ford/Holden debate seem to repsect both drivers and accept then to the list of 'popular' drivers.

Richo will make the transition pretty easily I'd imagine.

Skaife has been too much of a Holden man for too long, and too involved at a corporate level to ever make the switch to Ford. Not necssarily a bad thing for Skaife as he has quite a future within Holden when he hangs up the helmet.

As for Murphy, i doubt he'd have any real future within Holden Australia when he hands up his helmet, but mabe Holden NZ has a space for him somewhere.




I can't disagree with any of that. My only point would be that I hope FPR/FPV make better use of Mr Richards than they did of Brighty. I can't recall any advertisement linking Jason to the road going fast Ford products.

An association (for better or worse) that Skaife has forged in his time at Holden and HSV.
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Posted - 20 Nov 2006 :  23:51:09  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Richo is a pretty popular dirver who doesnt really rub too many peopel the wrong way, so is an easy driver to market.


You'd be surprised.


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[quote]I can't disagree with any of that. My only point would be that I hope FPR/FPV make better use of Mr Richards than they did of Brighty. I can't recall any advertisement linking Jason to the road going fast Ford products.
Not only Bright brownbag, Ford have managed to overlook using all of their star drivers in the capacity they deserve. Utterly pathetic. There are numerous threads running across this site atm criticising Ford of underdoing their marketing efforts and this is just another example.

Shameful.

Richo doesnt really have a face for ads though, and I mean that with the utmost respect.

We're a bit off topic but basically Skaife will have Murph covered in 2007. It's a transition year for Murph afterall...
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I'd much rather you give credit where it's due and Skaife, to his credit, has driven flawlessly all year so far.

So it's all his car's fault then, angry ant? Maybe if he drove a Ford he wouldn't have these reliability issues? Obviously HRT can't build a car anymore? or can't hire a decent pit-crew, or manager?.

I think someone on this forum is about to have an embolism. All this talk of psychiatrists and other mental health care... makes you wonder about the mental health and capacity of a certain "member"... Seems to me like someone here has an unhealthy affectation for a certain driver...

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Richo is a pretty popular dirver who doesnt really rub too many peopel the wrong way, so is an easy driver to market.
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You'd be surprised.
But that's okay for people to not like Richards isn't it, but if it was skaife, everyone would have to grovel and bar up at the mere mention of his name, wouldn't they?

I reckon one of the things that most skaife "dislikers" hate most about him is the moronic and sickening way SOME of his fans act and think.

I hate skaife, no two ways about it, I have my reasons why, and one of those is that I reckon he's the most over-rated living driver in this series.

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I can't recall any advertisement linking Jason to the road going fast Ford products.
I haven't seen anything from holden using ANY of their drivers either... Infact didn't Ford have Ambrose, Ingall, and Lowndesy in an ad together more recently than anything from GMH?

I just wonder what excuses some die-hard fans will concoct when skaife and murphy perform woefully again next year........
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