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MunroGTS
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  02:53:58  Show Profile  Visit MunroGTS's Homepage Send MunroGTS a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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I think someone on this forum is about to have an embolism. All this talk of psychiatrists and other mental health care... makes you wonder about the mental health and capacity of a certain "member"... Seems to me like someone here has an unhealthy affectation for a certain driver...


All that certain member has done, is proven (time and time again) using FACTS, that your argument about Skaife making driving errors this year, to be completely false (like most of the crap, some "members" around here speak).

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But that's okay for people to not like Richards isn't it, but if it was skaife, everyone would have to grovel and bar up at the mere mention of his name, wouldn't they?


Do you see anything there, saying Steven Richards isn't talented ? I like it, you're taking a comment out of context to support your feeble argument (again). It's very easy to take one thing and argue a point, which it doesn't even relate to. It's much harder to find evidence of something you're arguing, isn't it? Or... alternatively, just hang crap on the person debating against you, that'll definitely prove that you're right.

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I hate skaife, no two ways about it, I have my reasons why, and one of those is that I reckon he's the most over-rated living driver in this series.


Time and time again, I'll tell you I don't give a t*** what you think of Skaife. You're opinion doesn't count. What I don't like is you coming onto a public forum and arguing FALSE facts.


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I reckon


Nobody really cares what you reckon, We all know you (the most important person in the world) don't like Skaife. Make it your signature.. " I don't like Skaife " .. tell the whole world.
I only start caring when you deliberately argue on a public forum that he's past it and is making errors, when he clearly is not.


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Seems to me like someone here has an unhealthy affectation for a certain driver...



I have a pet hate for idiots who come onto this forum and saying Skaife's past it when none of his DNF's this year have really been a result of him making a driving error.

If you're not willing to accept that, then you should seek medical attention about your unhealthy obsession with coming onto the internet to defame Mark Skaife.

To Blame Mark Skaife or Greg Murphy's driving entirely for where they are in the championship is entirely stupid.

Edited by - MunroGTS on 21 Nov 2006 03:02:56
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Trickyonne
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  08:42:52  Show Profile Send Trickyonne a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I dont think anybody is entirely blaming those two lads on their poor driving. Obviously other factors come into play too. However talk and excuses are cheap..........and oh so boring and unintelligent.

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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  08:59:16  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
One of my pet hates is people on this forum who beleive Skaife is above criticism.The FACT is he currently in 20th place in the championship, which for the "number 1" Holden team is a woeful performance.

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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  10:03:53  Show Profile  Visit brownbag's Homepage Send brownbag a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by BOSS_290KW

One of my pet hates is people on this forum who beleive Skaife is above criticism.The FACT is he currently in 20th place in the championship, which for the "number 1" Holden team is a woeful performance.



Skaife is not above criticism.

In isolation it can be argued that in pure points terms Skaife and HRT have had a poor year, I doubt you will get much of an argument from any Holden fan about that. But Skaife has also had more poles and more race wins than anyone else this season.

If you just judge a driver on championship points in isolation then any argument that Craig Lowndes is more deserving of the title goes out the window. Many Ford fans are arguing that Kelly is less deserving because of his lack of race wins, yet when this fact is applied to Skaife it is dismissed as irrelevent and only his championship position is taken into account.

I can't understand how the two situations can be looked at so differently???
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  10:46:35  Show Profile Send Assassin a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well said brownbag.

This thread has just gone around in circles.

One person says Skaife has underperformed > Another says it's all his fault > The next person says it's not all his fault > Then someone says they hate Mark Skaife > Another person says they hate a certain member who hates Mark Skaife > Then the Skaife hater(s) say he is above criticism > The Skaife supporter(s) will say he isn't, but still try to defend him regardless > The process is repeated, again, and again and....

It honestly gets so boring after a while. Whether it's their fault or not, both Skaife and Murphy, and their respective teams, have not fulfilled their potential in 2006. We'll see how they go in 2007.
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  10:54:46  Show Profile  Visit brownbag's Homepage Send brownbag a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Skaifey05

Well said brownbag.

This thread has just gone around in circles.

One person says Skaife has underperformed > Another says it's all his fault > The next person says it's not all his fault > Then someone says they hate Mark Skaife > Another person says they hate a certain member who hates Mark Skaife > Then the Skaife hater(s) say he is above criticism > The Skaife supporter(s) will say he isn't, but still try to defend him regardless > The process is repeated, again, and again and....

It honestly gets so boring after a while. Whether it's their fault or not, both Skaife and Murphy, and their respective teams, have not fulfilled their potential in 2006. We'll see how they go in 2007.



Can't argue with that.
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FalconGTHO351
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  16:50:12  Show Profile  Visit FalconGTHO351's Homepage Send FalconGTHO351 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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All that certain member has done, is proven (time and time again) using FACTS, that your argument about Skaife making driving errors this year, to be completely false (like most of the crap, some "members" around here speak).
What facts? You've done nothing but prove you're hypocritical beyond comprehension, and unable to see anything even resembling reason.

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Do you see anything there, saying Steven Richards isn't talented ? I like it, you're taking a comment out of context to support your feeble argument (again). It's very easy to take one thing and argue a point, which it doesn't even relate to. It's much harder to find evidence of something you're arguing, isn't it? Or... alternatively, just hang crap on the person debating against you, that'll definitely prove that you're right.
WOW! All this coming from the person who's provided no evidence themselves? Have you ever stopped to have an objective look at the situation? No, I guess not, that'd probably show you that your views are blinded by some unhealthy infatuation.
I've provided a POSSIBILITY on why skaife can't finish a round. It's a view that hadn't been looked at, on this forum atleast. I find it hilarious that as soon as someone says something that contradicts certain people's beliefs that skaife can do no wrong and is the best driver to ever hit a circuit, it's straight into defensive mode, regardless of what it is, and straight to talks of psychiatrists... "you don't like skaife, you must be mad"... yeah buddy, I'M the one that needs psychiatric help....pffftt.

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I have a pet hate for idiots who come onto this forum and saying Skaife's past it when none of his DNF's this year have really been a result of him making a driving error.

If you're not willing to accept that, then you should seek medical attention about your unhealthy obsession with coming onto the internet to defame Mark Skaife.

I can't believe someone could be so ****ed in the head, that they can't even see an OBJECTIVE retort when it's right infront of them. I've given a POSSIBILITY of what could be happening to your beloved skaife, and quite frankly, I've seen nothing yet to contradict that opinion. It's comical to me, the fact that whatever I respond with is automatically an anti-skaife comment... I reckon if I typed in something like "skaife is a legend" you'd even crack a ****. Face it mate, your obsession is not normal, I think your neural-passages are taking a skaife-esque racing line.
It's not that I come here specifically to "defame" skaife, it's that I come here to offer an alternative way of thinking, and it seems that a few people on this site themselves have thought about it objectively and added or retorted in a mature, intelligent and rational manner, rather than just this "he say bad about skaife, me have to defend at all cost" style of mentality.

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To Blame Mark Skaife or Greg Murphy's driving entirely for where they are in the championship is entirely stupid.
I don't think I've blamed them entirely, I blame their teams and the type of car they're driving too. But to say they're not responsible for some of their piss-poor results would be moronic and the thought process of someone with a mental condition. Possibly even someone who claims to be a lawyer when they're simply not one...

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I dont think anybody is entirely blaming those two lads on their poor driving. Obviously other factors come into play too. However talk and excuses are cheap..........and oh so boring and unintelligent.
Exactly Trickonne! If no-one challenged beliefs, we'd still think the Earth was flat...

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Skaife is not above criticism.
Try telling Munro that.

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If you just judge a driver on championship points in isolation then any argument that Craig Lowndes is more deserving of the title goes out the window. Many Ford fans are arguing that Kelly is less deserving because of his lack of race wins, yet when this fact is applied to Skaife it is dismissed as irrelevent and only his championship position is taken into account.
it's not the race-wins, it's the ROUND wins, and more importantly, the DNF's. Whether they're caused from simply a ****-box car, or a ****-house driver regardless of who they are. You can win 60% of the races for the year from pushing hard, but if you push too hard (or have a bucket of pus for a car to keep certain people happy) for the other 40% and muff-it Than you don't deserve to win the championship because you've not been consistantly good, which is the difference between Lowndesy, Kelly and Frosty this year, as opposed to previous champions...

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It honestly gets so boring after a while. Whether it's their fault or not, both Skaife and Murphy, and their respective teams, have not fulfilled their potential in 2006. We'll see how they go in 2007.
You're not gonna get an argument from me on that one. I think what perpetuates all this bull**** is some people not being able to see anything resembling reason, and I'm guilty of this at times, but when someone types a fair and rational (albeit a touch generic (kidding)) statement like this one that I've quoted, it gives me hope that the world's not full of blinded sheep, and some people can make intelligent and objective responses... top marks '05.

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BOSS_320KW
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  17:53:30  Show Profile  Visit BOSS_320KW's Homepage Send BOSS_320KW a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well said GTHO351, you'll probably get another penalty, but it will be worth it.

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Assassin
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Posted - 21 Nov 2006 :  22:38:11  Show Profile Send Assassin a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Perhaps a little generic GTHO351, lol, but I think it's appropriate given what's been going on. Just call it for what it is really.

By the way, I agree with most of what you said.
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Tasman need to lift their game, there have been some who have labelled the team "a shamble" this season. Otherwise if they dont Murphy will have a very lean year. Afterall Jason Richards can drive quite well, and look at where he is in the standings this year.

HRT are always up the front, they just have to finish the race to get a decent result.

HRT should have the upper hand over Tasman, resulting in Mark Skaife beating Murphy in 2007 on points. Which in the end, aside from all the bickering, hypotheticals, option A, option B, ifs and buts, DNFs, Race wins, is the most important thing.
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I actually think Skaife has driven pretty well this year. 2004 was the year where I thought his driving was a bit below his normal high standards and made more mistakes.

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I don't know if anybody remembers but i posted on here a few years ago that i was told by a women with mystical powers that Skaife would have another few bad years. The time for a change must be just about due.
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Posted - 22 Nov 2006 :  09:19:11  Show Profile Send bigcol a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by MunroGTS

This is 2006, get with the times. Skaife hasn't put a foot wrong all year (Adelaide shouldn't even count, but if so, then for the last 10 rounds straight Skaife hasn't over driven or made any errors). I'd appreciate it if you so called " people " would stop implying, insinuating and accusing him of making driving errors.




What a lot of unadulterated twaddle.

So Skaife spearing off the end of the straight at Symonds plains wasn't a mistake then.
Skaife has made mistakes just like every body else.
So believe it or not he actually human.
Mind you some here think he's some sort of celestial God.
Bloody idiots.

What GTHO has said further up the page is 100% percent correct.

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Originally posted by pete55

I don't know if anybody remembers but i posted on here a few years ago that i was told by a women with mystical powers that Skaife would have another few bad years. The time for a change must be just about due.

God, I hope so pete, God I hope so!
























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col... from what i had heard skaife's steering was stuffed while passing (don't remember.. he did say in the pit interview afterwards).. did something break or was it a brain fade moment?

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