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AlbertM
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 Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 10:00:23
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Originally posted by bigem
Its not a Ford ****up, its a TEGA issue,.
Who developed the Ford aero package? I'd say that's where the blame lies, not with TEGA.
Or would you rather blame Holden or Tom Walkinshaw, surely it couldn't be that the Ford teams just have to work a bit harder. DJR must be doing the hard work that other Ford teams aren't.
TEGA set the specification of the aero kit.
What has TW go to do with this?
DJR are doing well. But the issues is safety not performance.
Why are the Holden fan up in arms anyway? Are you affraid that if the problem is retified that Ford team will be closer to the front? |
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Incivitive
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 10:02:26
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| If this is a parity formula why don't both cars run the same size ducts. Everything else is the same. |
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Sonic
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karter
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 10:45:36
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| Something the Holden fans don't seem to be able to grasp is that this is about SAFETY, not performance. It should be part of TEGA's brief to ensure the sport is run as safely as possible. If TEGA were half interested it would be easy. Look at the telemetery data, compare brake temps last year to this year, and red cars to blue. If there is any obvious problem with the BF's brake cooling package, then fix it. That would be if TEGA were even HALF interested in safety. But lately it seems all TEGA is interested in is money. |
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pete55
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 10:59:26
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If TEGA were half interested it would be easy. Look at the telemetery data, compare brake temps last year to this year, and red cars to blue. If there is any obvious problem with the BF's brake cooling package, then fix it.
Might be a bit simple for TEGA to grasp though. |
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 13:39:53
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Originally posted by bigem
Perhaps some posters should do some research on this stuff before they embarrass themselves with their ignorance!! Its all out there if you actually look!! This is not an "imagined" issue, its real and could not have been predicted prior to the season starting! The question of inlet and duct sizes is pretty straight forward, the duct loses its effectiveness if its larger than the inlet, so it is quite simple to understand that a small inlet/duct doesn't work as effeciently as a much larger setup! They need to change it now, before NZ otherwise somebody could get seriously hurt if they suffer brake failure!
Spot on M
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MunroGTS
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 05:17:03
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Why are the Holden fan up in arms anyway? Are you affraid that if the problem is retified that Ford team will be closer to the front?
The only Holdens that have it over all the Fords, are the TWPG Holdens. The rest of the field are pretty evenly matched.
What i love, is one round of domination by Holden and you lot are here screaming for rule changes. At the Clipsal 500, the Fords were on the pace (relatively well anyway) It was driver error and the inability of certain crew members, that ruined it for you all.
I think the thing some people are more afraid of is the TWPG quality of both cars and drivers combined, outclasses anything the Blue oval has to offer this year.
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REM
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 09:23:55
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Thanks for waxing lyrical Munro, I may be a bit obtuse...but what is your point in relation to the brake issues?
BIG call to write off the Fords for the rest of the year.....I would never have been that........ummm....... brave, in the past 4 years...to have written off the holdens |
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karter
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 09:25:25
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| So what's the objection to the BF's having brakes? FFS it's not a performance issue, it's about SAFETY. Try saying it Munro - S A F E T Y. While you might not give a stuff about the safety of Ford drivers, remember that it could be a Holden driver that gets injured as a result of a BF losing it's brakes - they are on the same racetracks at the same time you know. |
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AlbertM
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 09:34:00
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Originally posted by MunroGTS
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Why are the Holden fan up in arms anyway? Are you affraid that if the problem is retified that Ford team will be closer to the front?
The only Holdens that have it over all the Fords, are the TWPG Holdens. The rest of the field are pretty evenly matched.
What i love, is one round of domination by Holden and you lot are here screaming for rule changes. At the Clipsal 500, the Fords were on the pace (relatively well anyway) It was driver error and the inability of certain crew members, that ruined it for you all.
I think the thing some people are more afraid of is the TWPG quality of both cars and drivers combined, outclasses anything the Blue oval has to offer this year.
OK Munners leave everything as is and wait for someones brakes to cook and slam into the wall.
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REM
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 09:37:54
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Yeah...and which 'rules' are we supposedly wanting changed anyway?
Now back to the topic.....heh! |
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spoonster05
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 13:02:48
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So why would Ford knowingly put their drivers at risk by not testing the brake duct efficiency in the first place ?
Ford screamed until they got a copy of the Commodore front splitter and then when they get the chance they change it totally again
I'm concerned for safety of drivers so the brake ducts need to be increased and they should be done ASAP but I fail to see how Holden has gotten an advantage with this one, after all they didn't design the Ford aero update... |
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bigem
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karter
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Posted - 07 Apr 2007 : 13:44:12
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Originally posted by crazyspoon05
So why would Ford knowingly put their drivers at risk by not testing the brake duct efficiency in the first place ?
Ford screamed until they got a copy of the Commodore front splitter and then when they get the chance they change it totally again
I'm concerned for safety of drivers so the brake ducts need to be increased and they should be done ASAP but I fail to see how Holden has gotten an advantage with this one, after all they didn't design the Ford aero update...
For a start, testing is VERY restricted. For seconds, the changes to make the BA into a BF were FORCED on Ford. Is this somehow difficult to understand? They ARE NOT ALLOWED to run the BA airdam/splitter. They ARE NOT ALLOWED to run the BA. Yeah Holden can run the VZ if they want, (or do practically anything else they want, as usual) but Ford HAVE to run the BF front end which they HAD TO CHANGE from the BA.
So can you Holden guys get that? Ford HAD to change the airdam for this season. TEGA MADE THEM. Can you grasp that? Christ, it's not ****ing rocket science. |
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