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spoonster05
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  12:51:20  Show Profile Send spoonster05 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Falconcrazy
Why also is there such a big conmdemnation of marijuana but not alcohol, personally id rather have a stoner for a mate than an alcoholic. Go to a club straight and compare the drinkers to the guy who has smoked a joint.

Alcohol = aggressiveness overconfidence and just plain moronic
Joint = relaxed person not bothering anyone.



Hmmm, I've worked in hospitality for many years (including some places that had a reputation for being rough) and the 'aggressiveness, overconfidence and plain moronic' behaviour you mention from drinkers doesn't apply to the majority of people. Like anything there's a minority (usually large groups of young men or women) whose aim is to get totally hammered regardless of the health effects but most people just enjoy a couple of drinks with mates.

Also alcohol is the secondary seller in a lot of nightclubs nowadays. As illicit drugs become easier to purchase and trendier to take the sales of bottled water in venues has skyrockted, I don't think this is a coincidence somehow...

Finally the government may earn a lot of dollars from alcohol and cigarettes but drugs are responsible for more crimes than cigarettes or alcohol

I've never been scared when facing drunk patrons who threaten me but when a drug affected individual threatens you you tend to be a bit wary, have also been held up a couple of times and again alcohol or cigarettes were not influencing these peoples decisions either..



Edited by - spoonster05 on 16 Apr 2007 23:47:53
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HRTKLR
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  17:50:25  Show Profile Send HRTKLR a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Drunks are funny, stoners are boring as bat****.
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  19:53:06  Show Profile  Visit bengatta's Homepage Send bengatta a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by rustyinsthoz

Alcohol and cigarettes are responsible for more deaths in Australia than all illegal drugs combined.



as they should be, because illegal drugs should not kill a single person... because...... wait for it, drum roll please....

They are illegal...

What would the statistic be if it were legal to purchase them???? Millions more taking them = millions more dead...

Pretty simple really.
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spoonster05
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  20:21:46  Show Profile Send spoonster05 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Drunks are funny, stoners are boring as bat****.



Totally agree, I've seen some bloody funny stuff in the various places I've worked


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Henry
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 :  21:29:23  Show Profile  Visit Henry's Homepage Send Henry a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
"Once I was happy, I had a good wife. I had enough money to last me for life. I met with a gal and we went on a spree: she taught me to smoke and drink whisky."Cigareets and Whiskey, Red Ingle

Like Mr Mackey says; "Drugs are baaad, 'mmkaaay?"

And he's right. I'm not going to pretend that I've led a purer-than-driven-snow kind of life - hell I've played in pub rock bands... at various stages I've helped sponsor most pre-1996 racing teams through the efforts of Phillip Morris, Amatil/Wills et al, I've seen where Jack lives, hunted drop bears, walked with Johnny, felt like a Tooheys, proven you can get it chattin' up sows (matter o'fact I've got it now!)... anyway, my point isn't idle bragging - honestly.

As far as a tale of peer pressure; yes, many of my friends smoked, but just as many didn't. Same as drinking; I've known people who never enjoyed it... and I've known some hopeless alcoholics as well. Same as the friends of Mary Warner... but I was never forced into any of it. Nor was I ever interested in the sport of sniffing for Peru, or hungry for disco biscuits, or dropping acid.

Personally, smoking held a fascination for me for as long as I can remember, and I never found it an objectionable habit... even once I finally gave up (for good, seven summers ago).

And I did the sort of weekend binge drinking that was common amongst many of the blokes my age (way back when I was somewhere between 18 and 25).

And yes, I guess I must be honest enough to say that I might have seen the tools of the 'erb, mon. Once, maybe twice....

It remains to be seen what price I'll pay for my vices, but I would never deny that the prices are there to pay: like many of the others here, I've seen the ravages of excess on others. And having made my bed and lain in it, my opinion is that school kids are too young and silly to fully comprehend the consequences of their actions. I'm all for informed choice - but generally the impetuosity of youth only responds to object lessons: and for that reason alone I'd advocate calling the wallopers in. I grew up in a generation that was by-and-large spit-scared of the thought of a 20-stone, 7 foot tall country senior constable grabbing my ear between his sausage-like fingers, dragging me into the lock-up and tattooing my forehead for nothing more than thinking about jaywalking.

Their authority was something tangible, and to be respected. I dunno if it was because I was a wuss, but the thought of getting into trouble with John Q Law stopped me doing most naughty things as a pimply adolescent.... but it seems that their authority has fairly confining boundaries in this day and age...

The other problem is that where you might've once been dudded out of twnty bucks for a bit of leaf'n'tip back in the days, these days there are people growing tonnes of seriously heinous hydroponic green madness in the 'burbs... the sort of stuff that'd turn a seasoned old hippy to stone or smoke (pun intended) with one mellow toke. God knows what plant food they use, or what they're cutting the goey with, or whatnot... and what it's doing to those who think they're just out for a giggle...

Then I've conveniently ignored the whole addiction thing... anything which results in pleasurable experience is addictive in the right setting: sex, extreme sports, motor racing, exercise... for mine, dropping the gaspers was a hard enough form of drug dependancy to face and conquer - I cannot begin to imagine how one would go about overcoming something as deep-rooted as heroin addiction... or find one's way back from drug-induced pychosis and mental illness.

Dad once said "son, arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. Even if you're a grand master, playing at your best, the pigeon is just going to **** on the board and then walk around like it won".

Edited by - Henry on 16 Apr 2007 21:41:34
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