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ford force
formerly known as lowndes force



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Posted - 02 Sep 2007 :  14:25:25  Show Profile Send ford force a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so reading this satellite service is and will be in Standard Definition and aerial service will be High Definition thats UHF aerial. How could UHF be better than satellite?

http://freeviewnz.tv/index.php?section_id=3
Why will Freeview be available by both satellite dish and aerial?

To ensure that all New Zealanders can access Freeview, it's being offered by both satellite and aerial. This is the most cost effect solution for New Zealand (given its topography) while ensuring a robust, reliable, secure, and modern broadcast infrastructure.

Freeview by satellite will be available to nearly 100% of New Zealand homes and is available now. Freeview by aerial will be available to about 75% of New Zealand households in early 2008.

The aerial service will be 'High Definition' (HD) capable, meaning that their will be HD receivers (set top boxes and integrated digital televisions) available. It is up to each broadcaster to decide if they will broadcast an HD signal.

The satellite service will be 'Standard Definition' (SD) for the foreseeable future.

See the coverage map and learn more about the option that's right for you on the Getting Started page.

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I would GUESS that HD requires a lot more data, which means a higher baud rate which means that it's harder to do via satellite.

  
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I am still alive!!
The problem with Satellite is it cannot handle the extra bandwidth required to run full HD (1920x1080) $$$$$$$$$$$$
A typical example with a Foxtel transponder is that it can handle around 13 channels with its poxy resolution (low bandwidth) but if it transmitted in full H def the max amount of channels per transponder would be around 6 and this would cost them a fortune with current technology.
Foxtel ATM are playing with Mpeg 4 but I bet it will never be True Full HD of 1929x1080, It might be like Ch 7 fudging the books of transmitting 1440x1080.
PS for all to know how long is a piece of string.
Unfortunately most in this country get confused with this HD Stuff, TV Stations call 720p HD which it is but I call it a ring in, for me terrestrial HD should be ONLY 1080i as its just about IMPOSSIBLE with current technology to transmit 1080p like what is found on a typical blu-ray or HD DVD movie.
Channel 7 lags behind the others when it come with 1080 cameras there telecast of the V8's is a joke when it comes to PQ..

PS Do you know to enjoy FULL HD you must have a display bigger than 52 inches otherwise you are wasting your money as the best eyes on this planet will not appreciate it.Mind you 98% of the stuff you watch on telly that you think is HD is upscaled SD crap and they have a hide to call it HD. Find a TV station's promo and you will find that to be true 1080i.
Typical 70 inch Full HD display running a Full HD show or blu-ray (1920x1080)you need to sit 2.9 m away

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thanks man, the tv i was looking at was this one KLV46X350A 46-inch X-series BRAVIA LCD TV with 2 Mega Pixel (1920 x 1080) resolution RRP 6000 which will be pushing the $$$ already, how would you rate this compared to others

http://www.sony.co.nz/products/product/television-and-projector/all-tv-by-size/klv46x350a.jsp

also whats the difference between 1080i and 1080p

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thanks man, the tv i was looking at was this one KLV46X350A 46-inch X-series BRAVIA LCD TV with 2 Mega Pixel (1920 x 1080) resolution RRP 6000 which will be pushing the $$$ already, how would you rate this compared to others

http://www.sony.co.nz/products/product/television-and-projector/all-tv-by-size/klv46x350a.jsp

also whats the difference between 1080i and 1080p



i= interlaced
p= progressive

Both are full high definition and the only difference is the way the lines are updated on the screen.

p= for progressive updates its line one after the other as in the word progressive one follows the one before.Today this is preferred

i= interlaced is two fields of 540 lines x two equals 1080 where each field updates with odd and even fields. So every second line updates for field one and for field two the next set of second lines gets updated.
Again the word interlaced means like woven say in and out.

Both have there advantages and disadvantages but most new TV today have 1080p inputs.
Technology never stops, like you guys hot your cars up to give it more HP better brakes etc, some of us tv nurds do the same we mod the tv's to improve picture quality and performance and this can be done with hardware changes or the use of s PC called a HTPC (home theater PC)
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The biggest problem that most Plasma's and LCD's have today is the de-interlacing, that is putting all those lines together as quickly as possible without causing judder or any sort of motion blur caused by poor interlacing of the tv's internal de-interlacer so what some of us do is shut off the tv's de-interlacer and use a pc with a top end video card that does the de-interlacing for you and trust me you can preform some tricks.
The other is the main one which I have spent over 50 hrs on mine (I don't have a Plasma Junk or LCD)I have 71 inch of muscle LCoS technology (Liquid Crystal on Silicon)is calibrating it via the hidden service menu, Mind you this is a No,No if you have no experience as you will stuff up yout tv.
Thinks like greyscale, gamma, convergence,focus, are hot up things to improve the performance but mainly the greyscale as this has to be 100% correct otherwise your blacks and whites will be out.
Mind you the white Balance is very important too and for interlaced tv's the corduroy adjustment is very important as this tunes in the interlacing of the picture ( Example if you have worn valve springs you will valve bounce you engine)If your Corduroy id out on a interlaced TV in High Rev's or better still fast moving action the screen will get confused and you will see excessive motion blur.
I love life, you can hot your car up to improve performance, and you can hot you your tv's to do the same.
For me the rear Projection High Def Tv's are the best to modify, heaps of thing you can do that a factory will not do because of $$$$$.
Before you buy a tv say a Plasma or LCD visit a TV forum like
http://www.dtvforum.info/
and do a Google on the model as 99% of the tv's out there have problems its just a case of the best of the worst that we get in Australia,NZ and S Afica.

By the way there is no such thing as a correctly calibrated TV that leaves the factory, TRUST ME!!!

Have a read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing

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Edited by - satman on 20 Apr 2008 09:52:25
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  09:44:45  Show Profile Send satman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Another note is that under current technology you will never see "p" being used for FTA transmissions, all true High Definition pictures around the world today are sent via 1920x1080i not "p" as "p" is bandwidth hungry and that alone kills any idea of transmitting "p" for any service.
The display picture quality difference between "i" and "p" is not noticed whatsoever, those who use a external scaler can verify this..only on very high picture movement you will find "p" to be a little better than "i"
(PS a external scaler like a VP-50 could cost you more to buy than your plasma or LCD).

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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  13:36:01  Show Profile Send vipernz a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The following may help as well.. Hopefully.

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Freeview HD: any HDMI cable will work

By Mauricio Freitas, in Technology, posted: 20-APR-2008 13:05

Here is something for you that are buying or planning to buy a Freeview HD box: any HDMI cable will work and provide you with High Definition if your TV set supports it.

Simply put, some retailers are known to push higher priced HDMI cables claiming those are the only ones that can provide true HD. This is known as HDMI scam. The most recent case I can think is Rod buying two $400 HDMI cables... Yes, really.

That's just wrong. Whatever the $400 HDMI cable does it can be done with a $50 HDMI cable. It is just a bitstream.

The HDMI standard provides for two types of HDMI cable: Standard and High Speed. HDMI Standard cables are good for 1080i, which is the HD you get from TV3 for example. You don't need anything else. You don't need the "High Speed" cable, regardless of what the sales person tells you.

There are some other issues. For example Freeview sells a box so people can watch HD - why don't they provide the HDMI cable in the box then?


I assume it is the authors blog... found here

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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  13:42:27  Show Profile  Visit Hati's Homepage Send Hati a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Umm one other thing to add to this: the HDMI cable bandwidth. The older version is lower speed then the more recent one. If you have the highest possible feed going through it to an equally high capacity receiver unit, you WILL notice the difference. I do agree with the overinflated nature of some of these cables.

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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  17:33:25  Show Profile Send satman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I have tested a lot of HDMI cables including the junk 3m tin ones that most don't touch and they all worked. Mind you I only tested the first of the Profiles 1.1 players the other day which use HDMI 1.3 to a HDMI 1.3 TV and had no problems (wider Bandwidth).
Most new blu-ray players coming out now and the first one arrived in Australia only a month ago use HDMI version 1.3 (panasonic DMP BD-30).
For me I use anything thats gold plated that I can get on ebay and they have always worked even with long distances.
Be careful of the shops that want to sell you pretty leads as all you will do is pay a pretty price.
As for Component well thats different.

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Edited by - satman on 20 Apr 2008 17:34:21
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 :  17:53:25  Show Profile  Visit Hati's Homepage Send Hati a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I don't think the current BR offerings get anywhere near saturating the 1.3 bandwidth. I do hear you thought satman.
Yes correct!

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Edited by - satman on 21 Apr 2008 17:43:34
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 :  07:39:19  Show Profile Send ford force a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
thanks for your help, some of this is a bit above me, but still very interesting

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