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Lowndes_is_Legend
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Posted - 26 Nov 2007 :  00:27:45  Show Profile  Click to see Lowndes_is_Legend's MSN Messenger address Send Lowndes_is_Legend a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The old best of the world agaisnt the current best of the world.

Yes thats rigth Pete Sampras and Rodger Federa have played 3 exhibiton(spelling) matches.

The first going the Feds Way
6-4, 6-3

The 2nd going the Feds way also
7-6, 7-6 Im not sure what the tiebraker scores were

ANd teh 3rd going to the old yes Sampras won
7-6(again dont know the tiebrake scores) 6-4

All i can say is who ever watched the match was extremly lucky these are the worlds 2 best ever tennis players.

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what about Rod Laver(most successful player ever) VS. Roger Federer(current world best)
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How on earth does one measure who is great when one is a past champion and the other is now...???

Pete had some excellent competition to play against in his day, some top players in there prime... Federa seems to be in a league of his own at the moment so does that make him great or a poor reflection of the players around him?

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it would of been good for Pete Sampras to be playing in his prime versing Roger Federer to give a real indication of how good Federer is, and to see if the players around him are any good compared to Sampras' competiton he had to face.
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I watched the 2nd and 3rd games on telly and found it great to watch. Pete had a lot of fire in the belly still!


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Pete Sampras and Federer are the 2 greatest players ever.

Laver was brilliant. The very best in his day, but like most sports, fitter, faster, stronger will win every time and todays players fit the bill precisely

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quote:
Originally posted by bigcol

Pete Sampras and Federer are the 2 greatest players ever.

Laver was brilliant. The very best in his day, but like most sports, fitter, faster, stronger will win every time and todays players fit the bill precisely



Sorry col, have to dissagree....

Fed and Sampras have the best statistical records, but best player ever is always going to be argued....

Could argue very easily that Nadal is the best player ever, as his record against Fed (while at No 1) is mighty impressive. The thing against Nadal, is the fact that he cant continue to play at the level of intensity and work the body for the length of time that he needs to to beat the records of Fed and Sampres.

Greatest players statisically....YES.....Greatest players? well... that will be argued till the cows come home!


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Mate i have a tennis background father was in the Harry Hopman squads at Milton and in the QLD side which at the time consisted of Rod Laver, Roy Emerson, Mal Anderson and my father and i understand your a coach or something. I wasn't a slouch with a racquet either
Hopman had told the old man that he was in the Davis cup side and he then lost to Laver for the first time at Ipswich (local open tournaments were big things back in the fifties) while sick with the flu and with national selectors watching on they picked some New South Welshmen instead and the old man and he gave it away and got a job as he didn't have the money or the wealthy parents like the other 3 mentioned here

Todays players are stronger fitter and taller and the litle blokes like loud mouth Lleyton struggle against the big hitters and servers we have today. Yes racquets have come along way and even the medecinal side of it helps with better diets and quicker recovery.

I rate Laver and Roy Emerson the best of the old era when they played on grass mostly with old wooden racquets and sheep gut for strings.
Whether the old school could match it with guys 6 and 7 inches taller hitting the ball harder than they ever thought it could be hit is another thing.
I'm not sying for one minute that the Fed or Sampras could use an old timber racquet either.
Back then the game was played with a lot finese. Today is all about power and to put it simply the old school blokes don't have the strength like they do today.

I don't rate Nadal. Good on hardcourts and clay but never seemed at home on grass even though he has a Wimbledon title
Nadal 6 grand slams to Fed's 15 sort of speaks for itself. Yes Nadal does have a good record against the Fed but when you look at how many Grand Slams the Fed has it shows he has competed at higher level and done it for a longer period. Besides Nadal hits the ball like a spastic. The way he plays it's hard on the body. Sampras and Federer are so similar and are a bit old school with the way they hit the ball and probably the reason why Sampras can still hit a realy good ball.
Pete Sampras has one less Grand slam than the Fed. I think Federers and Sampras total Grand Slam wins take away any argument who the best players are in the modern era

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Hi Col, interesting thoughts......could probably sit down over a few ales and go long into the night on this one!!!

Sampras and Fed are undoubtedly at the top of the tree when you look at the stats. They were both also great to watch, very classy players, with power, finesse and flair. i just cant believe people think they are (were) boring to watch.

They also play(ed) a lot different to Nadal by virtue of the grip differences between them. Rafa is a machine, big extreme western grip, and unbelievable power. Players these days are much fitter than in the past and move much better, so the game has evolved this way because of that. When you watch Nadal, he hits the corner of the service boxes with regular monotony, to create an angle then takes the court away from his opponent. Players in the past haven't been able to do that as well as he does.

interesting thoughts on Wimbledon and Nadal too. (Dont forget he has much longer ahead of hum than Fed does, Rafa is only 24 years old.) I think that the courts have been very dry over there for the last few years (better covers too) and as such the balls have been bouncing higher than i remember, suiting his game a lot more. Its interesting playing on grass, the heavier you hit the ball the longer it stays in the court and bounces higher, but hit with slice and you can turn defence into attack. Its interesting watching the juniors playing on it for the first time.....does their heads in!

As for racquets, i am certain that the racs of today give a lot more power off the ground, but are similar on serve. Few years ago scud did some tests with a new Dunlop he was using at the time, an old aluminium, and an older wooden rac. The serve speed only varied by a few km between them. Most of the tech these days is going into the strings, and they definitely make a difference.

What i am certain of, Sampras and Fed have lifted the standard of play all over. Some players i have worked with (Sam Groth, Rob Howe, Michael Brown) are(were) very good players , yet are struggling to break into the pro ranks. The standard these days is very high.

Who knows how the "old timers" would fair in today's game....we could talk about that forever......


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I don't think you could acurately say one way or the other on how they'd go.

Grass is a great thing to play on. It annoyed the hell out me that places like Milton that had the best grass courts in the world shut down.
I coached 2 sisters over 20 years ago that were ranked 6 in Qld and 6 in Australia in their respective age groups. One of the players at the local club had a grass court and we used to go and use it leading up to any grass court tournament. They couldn't believe how low you could get the ball to bounce and how at diferent times of day how the court bounced differently. Needless to say they learnt very quickly on how to slice the ball and play flatter shots. It was good because it improved their games all round and gave them more shots to use on any surface. Grass certianly needs a bit finese and some of the older players would still probably match todays player. It's on the hardcourts/artificial surfaces that todays players come into their own.

It's no coincidence that Australias fall in the Tennis world has been attributed to less natural(grass, granite, antbed, clay) courts and less backyard courts in general. On artifical courts the ball bounces to true to high. It doesn't take spin like a natural court does and people don't watch the ball enough

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It certainly is a shame there are so many courts being turned into housing lots. Its heartbreaking to see what has happened with the grass courts in white city. They are just going to waste, soon to be redeveloped and lost forever. So many of the hard courts have changed to syn grass because they are easy on the body, and easy to maintain. Ant-bed and loam have disappeared as they too are too hard to maintain, not to mention expensive.

There are a lot of ideas as to why Aussie tennis has fallen so far. My opinion is that things over here are far too easy, and most of our kids are "soft". We had a satellite tournament here in the 'gong for a few years and the overseas guys would obviously train much harder than the Aussies. Things here are too easy and kids who have talent couldn't be bothered to work harder to see if they might have the ability to make it.

Also TA needs to change their thinking IMO as to grass roots tennis, and funding more players at the level below AMT standard. They have been very poor IMO at promoting the game, and since they deregulated the coaching industry standards have definitely fallen. They also need to get the state bodies using a generic comp platform to bring them all into line.

An interesting stat is that in Europe there are approx 45 weeks a year where there there is a high level satellite or money tournament, where here in Oz there are 45 weeks where there are no tournies at that level, so players are forced into the expensive option of traveling overseas, and the reality most cant afford it or be bothered so they fall off the radar.

I just hope they get it right soon so we see more aussies fighting at the very top of the game. We sure need it.


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