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oldtimer
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  08:23:01  Show Profile Send oldtimer a Private Message
Life after Holden suggests a more specific Silly Season 2022 and Gen 3.

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Originally posted by djr18fan

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Originally posted by bigem

Just goes to show who is making the decisions for Holden, and it ain't local!
And who said Nissan where sniffing around again, what hogwash, they got burnt by Supercars, they won't be back!



According to you, Ford got burnt by Supercars. Ford came back. So why not Nissan?



Nissan is 43% owned by Renault, an effective controlling stake.(The second largest shareholder is Daimler AG with a mere 3.32% )

Renault are now involved in TCR with GRM and are competitive there.

Any future Supercar involvement is effectively a Renault decision and they are cutting their range of sedans in Australia

Nissan Australia, like Holden, GM and Ford are concentrating on SUVs and light trucks. I suppose a 37 ounce or GTR could be introduced to run against the Ford sportscar, but they are low sales volume cars.

Realistically, apart from small sedans, low volume sportscars , SUVs and light trucks and vans, will any company be selling Supercar size cars in Australia by 2022.

Other import/sale models are all low volume, except for Asian Manufacturers, and Supercar size Sedans/sportscars are generally not their main volume sellers.

Maybe Supercars should consider leaving the chassis design and use SUV bodies in Gen 3.

https://www.nissan.com.au/vehicles/browse-range.html

https://www.holden.com.au/

https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+range+of+cars&rlz=1C1AVSF_enAU769AU769&oq=ford+range+&aqs=chrome.3.69i59j0j69i57j0l5.7540j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://sunshinerenault.com.au/new-renault-gold-coast.html?gclid=CjwKCAiAob3vBRAUEiwAIbs5TqeqFgjvo4Pew9yni17nwsTsRabXdI9Gbu69yBXY8N_YBXEiZqfguBoCNyAQAvD_BwE

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troy01505
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  10:16:12  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
What are you smoking mate? SUV racing will be as bad as the Supa utes.

2022 will be 2 doors and involve 4-5 brands
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  13:19:39  Show Profile  Visit Gasman's Homepage Send Gasman a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
†I think the category has been extremely successful in a General sense due to Roland and Sean endevours but it now needs to embrace conceptual changes that allow General teams to compete† without relying on Gen 3 cars as such but rather embracing the concept of parity changes which can be viewed in General terms as Gen 1 Gen 2 and soon Gen 3 .I know Gen can be misconstrued as meaning New Generation but now with the unfortunate demise of our relevant 2017 model opel we are in luck because with the stroke of a pen Gen now means Gen (motors) thus allowing the Gen (motors) parity 3 adjustments to take place in lieu of actually racing a relevant Gen 3 type car.The Gen 2 parity adjustment went a long way in balancing parity back to Gen (eral) teams if indeed not teams but a team.So i feel with Roland at the helm the category should prosper in a more General (3 / motors ) meaningful way.

Edited by - Gasman on 11 Dec 2019 14:26:45
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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  15:12:21  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Gasman

†I think the category has been extremely successful in a General sense due to Roland and Sean endevours but it now needs to embrace conceptual changes that allow General teams to compete† without relying on Gen 3 cars as such but rather embracing the concept of parity changes which can be viewed in General terms as Gen 1 Gen 2 and soon Gen 3 .I know Gen can be misconstrued as meaning New Generation but now with the unfortunate demise of our relevant 2017 model opel we are in luck because with the stroke of a pen Gen now means Gen (motors) thus allowing the Gen (motors) parity 3 adjustments to take place in lieu of actually racing a relevant Gen 3 type car.The Gen 2 parity adjustment went a long way in balancing parity back to Gen (eral) teams if indeed not teams but a team.So i feel with Roland at the helm the category should prosper in a more General (3 / motors ) meaningful way.



Hi Roland,
Thatís really good read. I couldnít understand a word of it, but now realise thats how you bluff Sean his technical team, and the rest of the bogans that believed Holden and the Crummydore was Australian.

Edited by - FirstOnRaceDay on 11 Dec 2019 15:14:18
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ignition
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  15:18:28  Show Profile Send ignition a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Gasman

†I think the category has been extremely successful in a General sense due to Roland and Sean endevours but it now needs to embrace conceptual changes that allow General teams to compete† without relying on Gen 3 cars as such but rather embracing the concept of parity changes which can be viewed in General terms as Gen 1 Gen 2 and soon Gen 3 .I know Gen can be misconstrued as meaning New Generation but now with the unfortunate demise of our relevant 2017 model opel we are in luck because with the stroke of a pen Gen now means Gen (motors) thus allowing the Gen (motors) parity 3 adjustments to take place in lieu of actually racing a relevant Gen 3 type car.The Gen 2 parity adjustment went a long way in balancing parity back to Gen (eral) teams if indeed not teams but a team.So i feel with Roland at the helm the category should prosper in a more General (3 / motors ) meaningful way.



what did i just read?
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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  15:25:57  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by ignition

quote:
Originally posted by Gasman

†I think the category has been extremely successful in a General sense due to Roland and Sean endevours but it now needs to embrace conceptual changes that allow General teams to compete† without relying on Gen 3 cars as such but rather embracing the concept of parity changes which can be viewed in General terms as Gen 1 Gen 2 and soon Gen 3 .I know Gen can be misconstrued as meaning New Generation but now with the unfortunate demise of our relevant 2017 model opel we are in luck because with the stroke of a pen Gen now means Gen (motors) thus allowing the Gen (motors) parity 3 adjustments to take place in lieu of actually racing a relevant Gen 3 type car.The Gen 2 parity adjustment went a long way in balancing parity back to Gen (eral) teams if indeed not teams but a team.So i feel with Roland at the helm the category should prosper in a more General (3 / motors ) meaningful way.



what did i just read?



No idea, same as me. I can only deduce ithat Gasman is actually Roland Dane, he speaks the same amount of jibberish
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Fast by Ferracci
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  15:53:19  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by troy01505

2022 will be 2 doors and involve 4-5 brands



Will it?
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troy01505
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  16:44:27  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Fast by Ferracci

quote:
Originally posted by troy01505

2022 will be 2 doors and involve 4-5 brands



Will it?



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AlbertM
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  17:03:44  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by troy01505



2022 will be 2 doors and involve 4-5 brands



Please, do go on.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
_Mford
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Preditor
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  19:17:17  Show Profile Send Preditor a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I can't really see a need for any Gen 3, there will only be 4 teams in it Tickford kelly djr and team 23. i would say the rest will join the TCM and TA2 mucscle car series, and seven has picked up the tv rights and will be show on free to air, so i wish Supercar good luck with the mustang cup from 2022 and beyond.

I heard there will be a name change to the series next year, the new name is Penske mustang cup series with their major sponsor to be Laxative guarantee to clear any backing up at Bathurst 2020.
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bigem
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  20:16:02  Show Profile Send bigem a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Preditor

I can't really see a need for any Gen 3, there will only be 4 teams in it Tickford kelly djr and team 23. i would say the rest will join the TCM and TA2 mucscle car series, and seven has picked up the tv rights and will be show on free to air, so i wish Supercar good luck with the mustang cup from 2022 and beyond.



I think you are spot on, amazing!
Hopefully 7 don't stuff this up, I reckon TA2 has a huge future if handled correctly.
It's a shame CAMS are involved, they are just Supercar stooges!

New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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troy01505
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Posted - 11 Dec 2019 :  21:00:26  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by bigem

quote:
Originally posted by Preditor

I can't really see a need for any Gen 3, there will only be 4 teams in it Tickford kelly djr and team 23. i would say the rest will join the TCM and TA2 mucscle car series, and seven has picked up the tv rights and will be show on free to air, so i wish Supercar good luck with the mustang cup from 2022 and beyond.



I think you are spot on, amazing!
Hopefully 7 don't stuff this up, I reckon TA2 has a huge future if handled correctly.
It's a shame CAMS are involved, they are just Supercar stooges!



TA2 has another heap of cars coming and will be at both Adelaide and Bathurst in 2020 and I reckon now itís on Tele itís fan base will grow a fair bit
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journeyman racer
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TA2 is a designated amateur class. Some tv time is going to make **** all difference.

"Big" cars are outdated.

No1 fan of James Courtney's ex-wife!
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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 12 Dec 2019 :  09:25:30  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by Preditor

I can't really see a need for any Gen 3, there will only be 4 teams in it Tickford kelly djr and team 23. i would say the rest will join the TCM and TA2 mucscle car series, and seven has picked up the tv rights and will be show on free to air, so i wish Supercar good luck with the mustang cup from 2022 and beyond.



Hope so!!!!

Nothing would please me more than to see a Mustang Cup. Even with a raised roof the Ponyís are much better looking than an imported Opel Crummydore.

Talk about a sore loser where were you and all your bogan mates over the last few years when weíve been forced to watch a Crummydore Cup. Even with the Kellyís racing a Pony the Opelís still outnumber the Pony 2 to 1.

I canít wait for the end of 2022 so I donít have see that ďAussie Holden ď Badge anymore, and hopefully RD can go back to England and race his Vauxhall again. Oops he canít do that cause GM stopped making them also, so..... what will the great RD master of Supercars do to support his soon to be failed business case. No doubt heíll whinge and carry on as usual, to ge something he wants as long as itís not a Pony. That ship has well and truly sailed, after he put the hogs breath badge over the Blue Oval.

What an arrogant and nasty piece of work that guys been and still is.

Bring on the Mustang Cup !

Edited by - FirstOnRaceDay on 12 Dec 2019 09:32:48
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troy01505
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Posted - 12 Dec 2019 :  10:49:19  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by FirstOnRaceDay

quote:
Originally posted by Preditor

I can't really see a need for any Gen 3, there will only be 4 teams in it Tickford kelly djr and team 23. i would say the rest will join the TCM and TA2 mucscle car series, and seven has picked up the tv rights and will be show on free to air, so i wish Supercar good luck with the mustang cup from 2022 and beyond.



Hope so!!!!

Nothing would please me more than to see a Mustang Cup. Even with a raised roof the Ponyís are much better looking than an imported Opel Crummydore.

Talk about a sore loser where were you and all your bogan mates over the last few years when weíve been forced to watch a Crummydore Cup. Even with the Kellyís racing a Pony the Opelís still outnumber the Pony 2 to 1.

I canít wait for the end of 2022 so I donít have see that ďAussie Holden ď Badge anymore, and hopefully RD can go back to England and race his Vauxhall again. Oops he canít do that cause GM stopped making them also, so..... what will the great RD master of Supercars do to support his soon to be failed business case. No doubt heíll whinge and carry on as usual, to ge something he wants as long as itís not a Pony. That ship has well and truly sailed, after he put the hogs breath badge over the Blue Oval.

What an arrogant and nasty piece of work that guys been and still is.

Bring on the Mustang Cup !



End of 2021 thatíd be for the ZB mate. And just to give you some hope, the hideous shaped Mustang will be fixed in 2022, thank ****ing Christ!

Itís laughable that the Ford faithful are still dirty on RD for running hogsters (My mate has the hog on his Mustang and transit van) and/or jumping ship and giving a Ford an embarrassing flogging! Ford Australia has taken so many ****s on their teams and fans over the years I am surprised their are any teams willing to race their cars or so many fans stupid enough to cling on to their flags!
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falcon_cobra
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what will the value be of only one brand of car running post 2021, Ford being Ford will pull the pin as well.

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