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REM
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Posted - 06 Jan 2020 :  07:57:04  Show Profile Send REM a Private Message  Reply with Quote
A lot of talk round and about concerning WAU going to BMW and this is why Chaz is happy to go there...but Roland is a smart cookie and keeps his cards very close to his chest.....he has even been known to set re herrings ala "building new fords" in mid-later 2009,when he was already building VE's and it's very hard to see a future for Holden in the market (and any product that they could race with past 2021).....could T8 head WAU off at the pass? It would seem a pretty good fit, I'd bet on T8 over WAU anyday....

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It wouldn't surprise me that WAU have already locked away BMW and Chas was the bait or he jumped due to BMW's involvement.
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Posted - 06 Jan 2020 :  18:08:54  Show Profile  Visit AlbertM's Homepage Send AlbertM a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I think WAU read the tea leaves better and stitched up BMW, as JD said Chaz was a key component. They'll hit the ground with a top driver.

T8 are in a bit of strife. I think they banked on Commodore lasting longer. Will be costly to continue supply for customers running Commies and develop a new brand if there is one for them.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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DanMcG
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quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

I think WAU read the tea leaves better and stitched up BMW, as JD said Chaz was a key component. They'll hit the ground with a top driver.

T8 are in a bit of strife. I think they banked on Commodore lasting longer. Will be costly to continue supply for customers running Commies and develop a new brand if there is one for them.



I'm sure Rolly has clever little bits in his supply contracts to make sure he doesn't get screwed like this
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abhibeckert
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quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

T8 are in a bit of strife. I think they banked on Commodore lasting longer.


When they developed the ZB, Gen3 was scheduled to enter the series in 2021.

It has been postponed to 2022, which means the ZB is already running a season longer than expected.

All the big teams will easily find sponsors to cover the cost to switch to a different car. It's the small teams that will be in strife if Holden leaves the sport.

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Fast by Ferracci
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Is there actually any legs to this BMW rumour beyond a James Phelps article?

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Originally posted by abhibeckert

the big teams will easily find sponsors to cover the cost to switch to a different car.



Easily? Will they?
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All the big teams will easily find sponsors to cover the cost to switch to a different car. It's the small teams that will be in strife if Holden leaves the sport.



Other way around. Holden pay 888, Holden don't pay small teams.

Gen 3 is going to be very expensive. It won't be just re skinning an existing chassis like VF to ZB.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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murph_fan51
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It wouldn't surprise me that WAU have already locked away BMW and Chas was the bait or he jumped due to BMW's involvement.


I just can't see BMW signing up to this series because of one driver?
Gen 3 would have to look pretty good for a start, and BMW would surely know where Gen 3 is heading if they are planning an entry into the series now.
Im guessing their 3 series would be the car if they entered.

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JD
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Obviously you aren't aware that BMW love Chas

Read this article and comments from BMW's motorsport director regarding Chas himself.

But I agree whether this will all actually transform into a Supercar squad remains to be seen but a main ingredient for a BMW/WAU partnership is now secured.

https://www.supercars.com/news/championship/bmw-keen-on-full-time-2020-mostert-deal/

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adzy_B
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Posted - 09 Jan 2020 :  13:06:26  Show Profile Send adzy_B a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
- edit wrong thread

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joe5619
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The next few years will make or break this series!!

If (and I still think it's a huge if), BWM come into the series, it will be with WAU. Between the WAU links (I forget which owner has the links) overseas, Chaz & youíd assume current talks, it's only going to be WAU or nothing.

T8 would be talking with Holden & would have a fair idea if itís already a 100% no for 2022. Holden either has a new showroom car to sell for 2022 & beyond (I.E. Camaro or something else) or they donít. Given the planning cycles, Holden would already know this information & if no car is available, then they have no option but to leave Supercars. If there is a car, then T8 will be in talks to get extended sponsorship, but no guarantees.

So, getting another manufacturer like BWM would be great because it's not going to survive with only Ford if Holden are out.

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abhibeckert
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quote:
Originally posted by AlbertM

Other way around. Holden pay 888, Holden don't pay small teams.

Gen 3 is going to be very expensive. It won't be just re skinning an existing chassis like VF to ZB.


Red Bull is Triple 8's primary sponsor and Caltex is their secondary one. Those are the primary logos on the car. Sure it also says "Holden" in a couple places but there's no logo and no colours - because even though they're the "factory" team Holden doesn't give them much money compared to Red Bull/Caltex. Triple 8 will be just fine without Holden.

Holden does pay the small teams - that's all of them race in a ZB, and unlike Triple 8 some of those teams are struggling financially. We lost GRM for example. Take away even holden's meagre funding will make life difficult for them and that will be ten times worse if it coincides with building a Gen3 car.

There are difficult times ahead for the sport.

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Holden either has a new showroom car to sell for 2022 & beyond or they donít. Given the planning cycles, Holden would already know this information & if no car is available, then they have no option but to leave Supercars.

Holden might plan to rebrand someone else's car as a commodore (maybe the Opel? Or a Kia? Or a Camry? Who knows it could even be a Model S or something crazy). If that is being negotiated then no matter how far along talks are until the contract is signed it might not happen.

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powderpuff
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Posted - 10 Jan 2020 :  11:54:09  Show Profile  Visit powderpuff's Homepage Send powderpuff a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Red Bull is Triple 8's primary sponsor and Caltex is their secondary one. Those are the primary logos on the car. Sure it also says "Holden" in a couple places but there's no logo and no colours - because even though they're the "factory" team Holden doesn't give them much money compared to Red Bull/Caltex. Triple 8 will be just fine without Holden.

Holden does pay the small teams - that's all of them race in a ZB, and unlike Triple 8 some of those teams are struggling financially. We lost GRM for example. Take away even holden's meagre funding will make life difficult for them and that will be ten times worse if it coincides with building a Gen3 car.

There are difficult times ahead for the sport.



Most of this is factually incorrect..
I'd state "In my opinion" before talking about contractual arrangements between the teams and sponsors. It's just false noise:-)

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This deal with Merc-AMG would put water on those BMW-T8 flames... https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/01/15/triple-eight-boasts-factory-support-for-b12hr-tilt/

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troy01505
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This deal with Merc-AMG would put water on those BMW-T8 flames... https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/01/15/triple-eight-boasts-factory-support-for-b12hr-tilt/



A one race deal doesnít put water on a thing!
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skaifeman
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Posted - 18 Jan 2020 :  21:10:14  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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This deal with Merc-AMG would put water on those BMW-T8 flames... https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/01/15/triple-eight-boasts-factory-support-for-b12hr-tilt/


Was there any flames to begin with?


"Fordís Bathurst winning bonus didnít even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977
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