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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  13:23:00  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
GM has confirmed the Holden brand will cease in Australia from 2021. This is a Sad day for the once mighty Australian car industry.

We played above our weight in this country, but very sad to see those glory days are gone.

Now this is confirmed WTF is the Supercars category going to morph into - if it ever was?

Edited by - FirstOnRaceDay on 17 Feb 2020 13:23:29

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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  13:49:32  Show Profile Send Darren351 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Just saw on ABC news. Wow.
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joe5619
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  13:49:35  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
WOW... Big news

You got to wonder why it wasn't sold to Opel when that sale was done, given they already did RHD cars.

Is this the end for Supercars?
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quote:
Originally posted by FirstOnRaceDay

GM has confirmed the Holden brand will cease in Australia from 2021. This is a Sad day for the once mighty Australian car industry.

We played above our weight in this country, but very sad to see those glory days are gone.

Now this is confirmed WTF is the Supercars category going to morph into - if it ever was?



Who knows, with Holden gone, other manufactures might dip their toe in again.

888 is a power house at a reduced price will see them spit out any car for the series.

Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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WarrenK
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  13:55:46  Show Profile Send WarrenK a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by joe5619

WOW... Big news

You got to wonder why it wasn't sold to Opel when that sale was done, given they already did RHD cars.

Is this the end for Supercars?


I read that when Opel was sold GM tried to package Holden in the deal, but the new owners declined the offer.

Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat with experience every time.
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Bartlett
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  14:19:55  Show Profile Send Bartlett a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Me thinks chaz’ move was a master stroke.
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Kieron302
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  14:28:23  Show Profile Send Kieron302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Big ramifications for SC's.

It was built on the Ford vs Holden rivalry and that still exists to this day. Even if other manufacturers can be found, will Ford/Holden brand fans still watch? I have no doubt there will be a reasonable drop off in viewers after that last race, but SC's need to sort out TV deals and no matter how rosie they paint it, it's not looking good for the future, almost certainly the biggest hurdle touring car racing has seen.

Looking good for SM' move to the US, is JDub's announcement timing based on GM's news I wonder?
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STP01
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  14:38:25  Show Profile Send STP01 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The news is including a possible GM tie up with Walkinshaw for converted vehicles. A WAU Camaro would make sense in that case, although a doubt there'd be much factory funding.

Congratulations Jamie Whincup on 7 Championships!
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Legendary Gerry
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  14:43:43  Show Profile Send Legendary Gerry a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Keep this thread on Supercar related information thanks.

There is another thread in General Motoring for just that, otherwise there will simply be 2 threads the same.
http://www.v8central.com/snitz3403/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=42486

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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  14:47:58  Show Profile Send DJRford a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Sad news. My prediction is Triple 8 to get a factory Toyota deal and run the Supra while others either switch to Ford or run old ZB's for a while.



























































































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oldtimer
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It is actually 2020, not 2021, i.e. BY 2021.

Yet GM per Holden are still involved in the 2021 rule changes. Could there be some other GM presence. Camaro are reported to be going all-electric so that would not fit.

888 will continue to run Commodores well after Holden closes its doors, well as Holden anyway.

Could it be that the future of Supercars Coupe Racing will now be more likely to adopt rules based on GT3, GT4 or something similar? That would be a much bigger change than anticipated, but it could work.

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General Motors confirmed the news via a media release issued today that Holden would be retired, stating its decision to cease local sales, design and engineering operations by 2021.


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“The announcement this week will not impact Holden’s contract with Triple Eight Race Engineering which is intact until the end of 2021. The Commodore will remain on track for the 2020 and 2021 Championship seasons,”


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“The 2021 timing coincides with the introduction of Gen3 Supercars, which, as we’ve already announced, will be designed to accommodate a wider range of body styles. We are already working closely with Holden and Ford on the Gen3 program.”


Could it be possible that GM will pay out their contract with 888 and release them to find another manufacturer for 2021?

It also seems possible, if not probable, that the new Gen 3 rules will be delayed until 2022 to allow teams to continue racing their existing cars for another year while it is all sorted out.
Holden managing director Kristian Aquilina was equally cagey about the Supercars programme beyond 2020 during a press conference.

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Holden managing director Kristian Aquilina was equally cagey about the Supercars programme beyond 2020 during a press conference.

"We've made a commitment and certainly we need to sit down with our partners, Supercars Australia and the Red Bull Holden Racing Team, which we'll do hopefully in the coming days to talk about the appropriate transition," he said.

"But our intention is to still go racing in 2020 whilst we've got Holden vehicles out there in dealer showrooms."

A statement from Supercars also only referenced the 2020 season.


https://www.motorsport.com/v8supercars/news/holden-cryptic-over-supercars-future/4686741/


https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/02/17/holden-to-work-with-supercars-triple-eight-on-motorsport-future/

Edited by - oldtimer on 17 Feb 2020 15:26:21
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troy01505
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  15:27:21  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
You spelt Supercars wrong!
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Kieron302
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  15:32:26  Show Profile Send Kieron302 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
As Holden have gone for 2021 and depending on how the T8 contract is written, it could mean that Holden don't have to honor T8's contract next year and that presumably won't sit well with RD.
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  15:34:08  Show Profile Send skaifeman a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by oldtimer

888 will continue to run Commodores well after Holden closes its doors, well as Holden anyway.

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General Motors confirmed the news via a media release issued today that Holden would be retired, stating its decision to cease local sales, design and engineering operations by 2021.


quote:
“The announcement this week will not impact Holden’s contract with Triple Eight Race Engineering which is intact until the end of 2021. The Commodore will remain on track for the 2020 and 2021 Championship seasons,”


quote:
“The 2021 timing coincides with the introduction of Gen3 Supercars, which, as we’ve already announced, will be designed to accommodate a wider range of body styles. We are already working closely with Holden and Ford on the Gen3 program.”


Could it be possible that GM will pay out their contract with 888 and release them to find another manufacturer for 2021?

It also seems possible, if not probable, that the new Gen 3 rules will be delayed until 2022 to allow teams to continue racing their existing cars for another year while it is all sorted out.
Holden managing director Kristian Aquilina was equally cagey about the Supercars programme beyond 2020 during a press conference.



Gen 3 has already been pushed back to 2022:
https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/09/20/supercars-pushes-gen3-regulations-back-to-2022/

I think your Seamer quote above is meant to say Holden ending sponsorship in 2021 conincides well with the fresh 2022 Gen3 rules set.
Poorly written, or said.

If Holden did have any say in those regulations, I dare say they don't anymore...

You do pose an interesting question re. 888 recieving their 2021 sponsorship.
Dealers etc will still exist, to carry out services, warranties, so there must be some kitty fund covering the cost of the closure - 888 may just be a part of that.


"Ford’s Bathurst winning bonus didn’t even cover the cost of the after-party" - Allan Moffat, 1977

Edited by - skaifeman on 17 Feb 2020 15:37:06
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Rampaging Monkey
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  15:39:47  Show Profile  Visit Rampaging Monkey's Homepage Send Rampaging Monkey a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply

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“The announcement this week will not impact Holden’s contract with Triple Eight Race Engineering which is intact until the end of 2021. The Commodore will remain on track for the 2020 and 2021 Championship seasons,”
quote:
“The 2021 timing coincides with the introduction of Gen3 Supercars, which, as we’ve already announced, will be designed to accommodate a wider range of body styles. We are already working closely with Holden and Ford on the Gen3 program.”

Those quotes were from Supercars when Commodore was discontinued. Now that Holden has also been discontinued, Supercars have said:

"The Commodore will remain on track for the 2020 Championship season."
https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/02/17/supercars-reacts-to-gm-retiring-holden/

So far, there is no indication whether Commodores will or will not race in 2021.
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minheim
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Posted - 17 Feb 2020 :  15:44:24  Show Profile Send minheim a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
I suppose Roland could always reuse those hog badges on the ZBs and race them until 2022.
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