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journeyman racer
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Posted - 20 Feb 2020 :  23:57:30  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The GM execs probably don't even know the race is on.
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abhibeckert
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

The GM execs probably don't even know the race is on.

The president of GM was previously managing director of Holden, director of the Asia pacific region, and before all that ran the performance division developing the camaro, corvette, ss commodore, etc as well as collaborating between their performance division and various race teams.

He even drove a pace car for IndyCar a couple years ago - and crashed... oops! Maybe I’m miss remembering it but I think it was a bit too much right boot over a bump entering the straight?

He knows what’s going on both with racing and with Holden.
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troy01505
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Posted - 21 Feb 2020 :  07:22:35  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

The GM execs probably don't even know the race is on.

The president of GM was previously managing director of Holden, director of the Asia pacific region, and before all that ran the performance division developing the camaro, corvette, ss commodore, etc as well as collaborating between their performance division and various race teams.

He even drove a pace car for IndyCar a couple years ago - and crashed... oops! Maybe I’m miss remembering it but I think it was a bit too much right boot over a bump entering the straight?

He knows what’s going on both with racing and with Holden.


Probably why GM looks like it’s getting run into the ground now.

Interesting the Corvette is being rehashed, people here told me SUPERcars will never allow a SUPER car.
I can’t see Supercars continuing on in anything even slightly similar to its current form.
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FirstOnRaceDay
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Posted - 21 Feb 2020 :  09:57:34  Show Profile Send FirstOnRaceDay a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by abhibeckert

quote:
Originally posted by journeyman racer

The GM execs probably don't even know the race is on.

The president of GM was previously managing director of Holden, director of the Asia pacific region, and before all that ran the performance division developing the camaro, corvette, ss commodore, etc as well as collaborating between their performance division and various race teams.

He even drove a pace car for IndyCar a couple years ago - and crashed... oops! Maybe I’m miss remembering it but I think it was a bit too much right boot over a bump entering the straight?

He knows what’s going on both with racing and with Holden.


Indeed he does know what’s going on, of course that doesn’t mean he told anyone at Holden until the last minute. The news wasn’t leaked out anywhere until it was officially let out, - what does that tell you? Heck even RD didn’t know until he was texted. How that must have hurt his ego, fancy being told you’re million dollar business case support is finished via a text. GM couldn’t care less about how they destroyed the Holden legacy, it’s get out as quickly as possible at the lowest amount of costs.

Yet this year will be all about celebrating the loss of a badge that was really lost over 2 years ago.

There was lots of debate in Ford Australia at the time they laid the Falcon name to sleep instead of renaming a Mondeo a Falcon. They read the tea leaves well, Australia has moved on from sedans. Once again Ford proves they get most things right. And from being the smallest automotive employer in Australia they now have over 2000 employees which is more than double what they had when building falcons and territories.
And even though the Mustang sales have slowed in Australia it’s still the single biggest market outside the USA.

As long as Supercars can develop a new racing format that suits Mustang, they’re not going anywhere, particularly as they now have Ford Performance Vehicles on side.
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journeyman racer
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I'm trying to think of a bigger slap in the face to a series as what GM have done by discontinuing with Holden to Supercars?
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Posted - 22 Feb 2020 :  12:33:47  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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I'm trying to think of a bigger slap in the face to a series as what GM have done by discontinuing with Holden to Supercars?
O god, what an over reaction!! GM is in business to sell cars, not race them.. Racing is a form of sponsorship! If you can't successful sell cars at a profit, you don't have a business.. Lets get some prospective people.
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journeyman racer
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Posted - 22 Feb 2020 :  12:47:30  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
It looks like your post is an overreaction.
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djr18fan
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I'm trying to think of a bigger slap in the face to a series as what GM have done by discontinuing with Holden to Supercars?


Both Ford & Nissan ceasing to support supercars while still selling cars in the country?
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minheim
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Posted - 22 Feb 2020 :  16:26:09  Show Profile Send minheim a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
My vote for the biggest slap in the face to the series was the 2019 parity farce where they advantaged Holden in several changes at a rate never seen before in the series.
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journeyman racer
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Posted - 22 Feb 2020 :  17:46:00  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by journeyman racer

I'm trying to think of a bigger slap in the face to a series as what GM have done by discontinuing with Holden to Supercars?


Both Ford & Nissan ceasing to support supercars while still selling cars in the country?
Nup. Nissan were never really wanted in the first place. Underneath the veil of inclusion, they were just wanted to sponsor the series and stay in the background. While the series traded off being primarily a Ford v Holden rivalry.

Ford have been less committed than Holden throughout ATCC/Supercars history. So it's just more of the same when they stopped supporting the series.

Holden has been the no1 brand of supercars racing. It was always intended to continue with some link to Ford v Holden rivalry. But GM isn't going to leave the series with even the most tenuous of links to Holden.


Gen 3 comes along, they can push the big Ford v BMW rivalry of...never.

Oh, there was that year Jim Richards and Dick Johnson finished 1st & 2nd in the atcc...in 1985.
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Originally posted by joe5619

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Originally posted by journeyman racer

I'm trying to think of a bigger slap in the face to a series as what GM have done by discontinuing with Holden to Supercars?
O god, what an over reaction!! GM is in business to sell cars, not race them.. Racing is a form of sponsorship! If you can't successful sell cars at a profit, you don't have a business.. Lets get some prospective people.
You speak the truth Joe. However such logic didn't stop the hounding of Fords on and off again support.
Ford fans be proud. History of Australian motor racing shows Ford has been and will always be superior. They have to slow them down when they get serious about racing. The Phase 4 scared the **** out of people, they banned it. Sierra gets called on a technicality, Falcon EF "...had its wings clipped to make Holden part of the show", AU not allowed to show it's potential, Falcon BF gets clipped. Mustang Is so good Supercars made up a rule and gets a bag of cement in the roof, and it still wins.
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So Roland has met with GM but is now very very quiet, I suspect it didn't go well!
GM don't give a **** about what happens in Supercar racing and I reckon thats the message Roland got!
New Commodore Hey! So you used your own money? Would you like to buy a used bridge?
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troy01505
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Posted - 23 Feb 2020 :  14:35:16  Show Profile Send troy01505 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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So Roland has met with GM but is now very very quiet, I suspect it didn't go well!
GM don't give a **** about what happens in Supercar racing and I reckon thats the message Roland got!


Well why would they have an interest when they are pulling out off Australia completely?
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JD
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Posted - 23 Feb 2020 :  14:51:44  Show Profile  Visit JD's Homepage Send JD a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
He doesn't look happy

https://www.speedcafe.com/2020/02/23/dane-confirms-general-motors-meeting-has-taken-place/
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joe5619
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Posted - 23 Feb 2020 :  15:06:09  Show Profile Send joe5619 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
WAU has confirmed the won't race Commodore in 2021! Going to be an interesting year..
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