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Fast by Ferracci
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Posted - 12 Nov 2019 :  19:25:18  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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In my opinion Tony forming the IRL was the right move for the Speedway


Interesting to read this opinion.



I just think that in the mid-90s CART was getting pre-occupied with taking races overseas and not addressing the influx of overseas drivers to the detriment of American drivers, given that in quick succession in the early 90s Foyt, Mears, Unser Sr, Mario, Sneva etc... had all retired with few new American drivers replacing them

Tony George had been voicing these topics with CART but felt he was being ignored. He had the biggest open-wheel race on the CART schedule and wanted input into CARTís future, but was rejected when he asked to be on the CART board. George went and did something about his concerns, and creating the IRL gave the likes of Tony Stewart a start in open-wheel racing.

CART chose to not compete in the Indy 500 by their own volition, and ultimately paid the price as they couldnít live without running in the 500. Ironic as they could have killed the IRL by the end of May 1996 if they were smarter (Roger Penske included)

I enjoyed CART but loved the IRL racing too, and personally I think George did the right thing for the future of IMS by creating the IRL for 1996.


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Posted - 16 Nov 2019 :  22:45:00  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Well, I mean, I don't get it?

Up until the mid-90s, there was only one race outside North America.

The "infiltration" of non-American drivers onto the series is just a recognition that the series was worthwhile participating in.

It doesn't seem possible that the older generation drivers in Indycar were going to be replaced by younger, and it wasn't his problem or imprimatur to do anything about.

Aside from adding more races to the calendar for fans to follow without overloading a particular series for period of time, I don't see what good he's done?

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Posted - 17 Nov 2019 :  02:09:12  Show Profile Send mikeamerica84 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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....I don't see what good he's done?

American open wheel racing was at its peak in the mid-90s before the split. Prior to that, while CART held the cards, the series grew over 15 years to that level.

Development of cars and various engines aided this move. After European and South American drivers started their influx into the series, the series dynamics started shifting to more road courses/street circuits. This influx brought $$$ into the series for the "foreign" drivers had good sponsors bankrolling them. CART was a logical series to race in for F1 is much higher $$$ and limited seats.

But this style of racing tilted the scale away from oval tracks. The IRL tried to tilt them back all the way, including bringing in American drivers. This aspect of blatant advertising that they wanted American drivers vice "foreign" drivers was taken by many as a racial/cultural shot of suppression, which added fuel to the fire. But the split was on.

Now that the series' have been re-combined, the ovals are still the Achilles heel of IndyCar. Other than the Indianapolis 500, where there are still less people attending than back in the 90s, the oval track attendance has been awful. This is attributed to the success of the road courses and the current formula of cars for racing on high speed ovals - aero push, turbulant air, etc.

The IRL formula also started making the cars more spec and actually dumbed them down with less power. CART soon followed suit somewhat and had to go to spec Ford Cosworth engines as they were soon hurting for cash. Sponsors were treating these guys like the plague and flocking to NASCAR, subsequently filling their coffers. This pretty much ignited the NASCAR explosion.

But Penske and CART brought the series up to a level it was never at before. Now the opportunity is there again. Roger has never failed in his efforts to achieve success. He is the right man and has the right people to lift this series back up. The first thing I think they will address is the oval track issue. They have to put a package together that works well for drivers and fans.

It is what he CAN do, jm. That is what all the buzz is about here the States. And I must say, his taking over has been praised and received well over here. Oz seems tilted the other way in their opinions. It is an interesting comparison to watch for this Yank.

There is no better person to take over this outfit. No one.

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Posted - 17 Nov 2019 :  12:26:32  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
Yeah, I get all that. I'm curious as to what good Fbf thought Tony George had done?





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Posted - 20 Nov 2019 :  18:35:31  Show Profile Send Fast by Ferracci a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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I'm curious as to what good Fbf thought Tony George had done?





It gave Americans like Tony Stewart and Sam Hornish a path into the Indy 500, along with teams like Panther, and He kept the Indy 500 at the forefront, whereas CART were trying to marginalise the event , in terms of its importance over other CART races that CART controlled

I wasnít a fan of his 25/8 rule, but CART could have played that like a fiddle and killed the IRL by the end of 1996, but CARTís poor leadership saw that not happen
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Comments seem to be delving well into historic Nostalgia.
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Posted - 20 Nov 2019 :  22:55:19  Show Profile Send journeyman racer a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
The notion of diminishing the Indy 500 is something I'm unaware of and find it hard to comprehend was occurring. The American motorsport industry revolves around the Indy 500.

It's would've been naÔve to think it could overtake F1. It doesn't matter how bad F1 is, nothing tops it.

Regarding Stewart, I'm not sure the IRL was meant to be a stepping stone for Nascar. Although Hornish was probably a legitimate find.

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Comments seem to be delving well into historic Nostalgia.


Delving well into historic nostalgia?

Fbf and I have probably extended the thread by a page!

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Posted - 20 Nov 2019 :  23:47:58  Show Profile Send mikeamerica84 a Private Message  Reply with Quote Copy this URL to Link to this Reply
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Comments seem to be delving well into historic Nostalgia.

That's where this whole topic centers around, ot. There is a long and historic past with this series and the speedway, peppered by the bitterness of the late 1990s which has divided many a fan in this arena to this day. It's not like THIS telecom company buying out THAT telecom company.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

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